Attachment C - VPC Summary - Z-5-24-1.pdf

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City of Phoenix • Planning & Development Department 
200 West Washington Street, 3rd Floor • Phoenix, Arizona  85003-1611 • (602) 262-6882 
Village Planning Committee Meeting Summary 
Z-5-24-1
Date of VPC Meeting 
March 20, 2024 
Request From 
C-O
Request To 
C-2
Proposal 
Restaurant with drive-through
Location 
Northeast corner of 43rd Avenue and Thunderbird Road
VPC Recommendation 
Approval, per staff recommendation
VPC Vote 
11-1-1
VPC DISCUSSION:
Staff Presentation: 
Chase Hales, staff, presented an overview of the rezoning request. Mr. Hales explained 
the location of the site, the requested zoning designation, the surrounding land uses, 
and the General Plan Land Use Map designation. Mr. Hales displayed the current 
conditions of the site, the proposed conceptual site plan, and the proposed conceptual 
elevations. Mr. Hales concluded the presentation by providing the staff findings, the 
recommendation, and summarizing the proposed stipulations.  
Applicant Presentation: 
Wendy Riddell, representing the applicant with Berry Riddell, LLC, provided an 
overview of the proposed request. Ms. Riddell explained that like many banks, the 
subject property had a deed restriction that preventing other banks from utilizing the 
site, and the proposal to rezone would enable more uses on the site, as C-O was limited 
in its commercial entitlements. Ms. Riddell displayed the proposed conceptual site plan 
and elevations and explained that the proposed use was a restaurant with drive-
through, but noted the drive-through would need to be permitted through the use permit 
process. Ms. Riddell summarized the numerous changes to the site plan and noted the 
landscape buffers along Thunderbird Road and 43rd Avenue. Ms. Riddell stated that a 
neighborhood meeting was held where three people attended. Ms. Riddell stated that 
the applicant had done bilingual outreach and that there had been 88 people in support 
of the project, and showed a map of where the supporters were located in the 
neighborhood. 
Questions from the Committee: 
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Committee Member Gore asked if the drive-through was double-lane. Ms. Riddell 
stated that although the striping in the drive-through lane on the site plan made it 
appear to be a double lane, it was only one lane.  
 
Committee Member Gore stated concern regarding the drive-through as a large 
number of customers could fill up the lane and prevent people from entering the parking 
lot, pushing traffic out onto 43rd Avenue. Ms. Riddell stated that the queueing distance 
was sufficient for the user and that the intended tenant, Farmer Boys, focuses on indoor 
dining, unlike some quick-service restaurants. 
 
Committee Member Gore reiterated concern that there could be issues in the future, 
just like similar businesses in the area. Ms. Riddell stated that it was not anticipated to 
be an issue in the future. 
 
Committee Member Jaramillo asked if there had been any engagement with his block 
watch. Ms. Riddell stated that there had not been but was interested in having it 
happen. 
 
Committee Member Gore observed that the garbage facilities were located in the 
northeast corner near the residential uses adjacent to the site. Ms. Riddell stated that 
the tenant would most likely prefer to have the garbage near the restaurant, but often 
the maneuvering of garbage trucks determined the location. 
 
Committee Member Gore asked why there were no detached sidewalks on the 
conceptual site plan, as the stipulations recommended by staff required them. Ms. 
Riddell agreed that the site plan did not perfectly reflect what was to be built, and that 
edits would need to be made in a future iteration. 
 
Councilmember Gore asked if there would be misters. Ms. Riddell stated that there 
may or may not be. 
 
Committee Member Gore asked if there would be amplified music. Ms. Riddell stated 
that there may or may not be but that would need to be approved through the use 
permit process. 
 
Committee Member O’Hara stated that he liked the project and wanted to see the site 
be activated. 
 
Committee Member Alauria stated that there had been issues with illicit activities and 
was a good opportunity to activate a dead site. 
 
Committee Member Larson shared concern with a right-hand turn into the site, given 
its close proximity to the intersection and thought that traffic slowing could cause a 
hazard for those coming through the intersection not anticipating a decrease in traffic 
speed. Ms. Riddell stated that there was no stipulation requiring general conformance

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200 West Washington Street, 3rd Floor • Phoenix, Arizona  85003-1611 • (602) 262-6882 
to the conceptual site plan that was presented and that there could be future changes to 
avoid issues similar to Mr. Larson’s concern. 
 
Councilmember Gore asked how the proposal created a “connected oasis” as outlined 
in the General Plan. Ms. Riddell stated that the proposal had pedestrian connections to 
the surrounding residential neighborhood and would create detached sidewalks along 
43rd Avenue and Thunderbird Road, all of which would be shaded. 
 
Public Comments:  
 
None. 
 
Applicant Response:  
 
None. 
 
Committee Discussion:  
 
Committee Member Larson stated that he shared the same concern with Mr. Gore 
regarding the traffic with the drive-through. Mr. Larson stated he recognized that the 
Committee was not approving a specific user but encouraged to evaluate the design to 
mitigate impacts.  
 
Committee Member Gore stated that he appreciated the improvement for the 
neighborhood but felt that the proposal was not ready to move to the Planning 
Commission given his concerns with traffic. Committee Member Mike Krentz stated 
that the question of approval of the rezoning was not specific to the proposed site plan. 
Mr. Krentz explained that the site plan would be refined as the site plan was evaluated 
during the plan review process. 
 
Committee Member Gore stated that he recognized that it was not in the purview of 
the committee to analyze the details of the proposal but wanted the committee to take 
advantage of the opportunity to influence the proposal. 
 
Committee Member Pamperin stated that he agreed with Mr. Gore and saw the 
potential of another restaurant in the future going on the site and creating a traffic issue. 
 
Chase Hales, staff, reminded the committee that the drive-through would require a use 
permit, which was not in the purview of the current discussion. 
 
Committee Member Gore stated that he had sat in hearings for use permits and was 
concerned that there was not enough scrutiny when it came to evaluating drive-
throughs. Mr. Gore reiterated that he would like to review the request with a more 
critical eye. 
 
Motion:

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City of Phoenix • Planning & Development Department 
200 West Washington Street, 3rd Floor • Phoenix, Arizona  85003-1611 • (602) 262-6882 
Committee Member O’Hara motioned to recommend approval of Z-5-24-1, per staff 
recommendation. Committee Member Whitney seconded the motion.  
 
Vote: 
11-1-1, Motion to recommend approval of Z-5-24-1, per the staff recommendation 
passed with Committee Members Alauria, Barraza, Jaramillo, Krentz, Larson, McBride, 
O’Hara, Sommacompagna, Veidmark, Whitney, and Vice Chair Matthews in support, 
Committee Member Gore in opposition, and Committee Member Pamperin abstaining.   
 
Staff comments regarding VPC Recommendation:  
 
None.