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TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS 
MINUTES OF THE WORK SESSION 
OF THE FOUNTAIN HILLS TOWN COUNCIL 
April 14, 2026 
 
 
 
 
A Work Session of the Fountain Hills Town Council was convened at 1:00 p.m. in 
the Fountain Hills Council Chambers, Fountain Hills, Arizona 
 
Members Present: Vice Mayor Gayle Earle; Councilmember Rich Watts; 
Councilmember Peggy McMahon; Councilmember Brenda J. Kalivianakis 
 
Members Attending Remotely: Councilmember Hannah Larrabee 
 
Members Absent: Councilmember Allen Skillicorn 
 
Staff Present: Town Manager Rachael Goodwin; Town Attorney Jennifer Wright; 
Town Clerk Bevelyn J. Bender

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MAYOR FRIEDEL:  All right.  I'm just calling the meeting to order.  We'll do roll call, 
please.  
BENDER:  Mayor Friedel.   
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Present.   
BENDER:  Councilmember Earl.  I mean, sorry, Vice Mayor Earl is not on here yet.  
Councilmember Skillicorn is not here yet.   
Councilmember Kalivianakis.  
KALIVIANAKIS:  Here.  
BENDER:  Councilmember Watts.  
WATTS:  Here.  
BENDER:  Councilmember Larrabee is on the phone.   
And Councilmember McMahon.   
MCMAHON:  Here. 
BENDER:  Mayor, you have a quorum.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  
Rachael?  
GOODWIN:  Thank you, Mayor.  Today we are bringing forward the tentative budget, 
which is a required step in our annual process.  I know Council as well as staff have 
spent many hours on this budget, so I will keep my opening comments brief.   
The tentative budget reflects the priorities discussed through the retreat and the work 
sessions and the supplemental items being recommended for addition.  Those 
supplements have been reviewed carefully and are not simply a wish list, but each item 
requires justification based on need, timing, available resources, organizational capacity, 
and alignment with Council priorities.   
The tentative budget continues funding for core services, including public safety, streets 
and infrastructure, facility maintenance, capital planning, and community services.  
Arguably, the budget is more than a spending plan.  It is a prioritization document that 
shows where the Town is choosing to focus its limited resources.  So with that in mind, 
staff will walk through the key components, the recommended supplements, and the

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remaining steps before final adoption.   
Before we kick off, I want to say a big thank you to Paul and his staff, as well as the rest 
of the team, because our budget process starts way back in December.  For those of you 
that don't remember all that far back, we start in December.  So this is a culmination of 
a lot of detail, a lot of work, a lot of "oops, I forgots", and really, Paul kind of herding all 
of the squirrels in the office to make sure we get here and get this done.  So thank you, 
Paul, for all your efforts.  
SOLDINGER:  Great.  Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council.  Thank you for another 
opportunity.  Like Rachael mentioned, this is kind of a culmination of all our discussions 
up to this point.  We've had several, and it's a long and exhaustive process, but we're 
getting close.  We only have a few more steps in this process to consider the fiscal year 
2027 budget.  And so with that, this is meant to be seeking your direction on the 
budget.  If there's anything you'd like to see addressed or discussed, please chime in and 
ask questions.  And we'll have those conversations today.   
So for the budget just some main considerations.  Looking at the time line today, we are 
talking about the proposed budget.  We have an online budget book that we included in 
the packet.  The public can also look at it.  It includes all -- the entire proposed budget 
by fund, by department.  Just 250 pages of fun is like -- what I like to call it, and it's there 
online for consumption.  And we'll talk through it a little bit today.  I can also pull up the 
book if you'd like.  Because I know we send it out in advance, so there's a lot of 
information there.   
So today, the purpose of today is really to get your feedback on the budget, everything 
we've put together.  And by next month, when we bring the tentative budget for 
adoption, that's the maximum amount that the Town can budget for next year.  So once 
you approve that, we like to have pretty much everything final other than anything last-
second.  Because once that takes place and the Council approves that, we'll have the 
final budget adoption considered in early June with a public hearing attached to that as 
well.   
So we like to start with projected fund balances.  We want to know what we have across

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our different funds or our different buckets to work with next year.  We incorporate 
these projections in our balanced budget approach as required by the State and the 
budget forms.  So for the General Fund, we're projected to have about $15 million at 
the end of this year or the start of next year.  The Streets Fund, we're projecting about 
$6.1 million.  That's after doing all the road work that we're currently working on with -- 
where's -- oh, Justin's not here.  I usually look over.  Is Justin around?  He just walked 
out?  We're doing a lot of road work.  We're working on Palomino.  It's almost complete.  
Richwood is up and going, and a lot of other roads are in the queue to get going these 
next few months.  So we typically do do all our road work towards the end of the fiscal 
year.  And that's what we're doing now.  And so today we have almost $14 million in 
that fund.  But once everything's done and complete, we're projecting about 6 -- it could 
be, dare I say it, 6 to $7 million in that fund by year end.  And conservatively, 6.1. 
Capital Projects Fund, $9 million.  We've had about the same amount in the Capital 
Projects Fund at year-end over the last three years.  This is a historically high dollar 
amount for this fund.  So we're well-funded for the capital improvement plan.  I know I 
get that question a lot.  Do we have enough money to do these capital projects?  Yes, 
we do.  We look at a five-year outlook.  We consider all those things, and we have 
sufficient funding for now and the future few years.   
$8.2 million in the Facilities Reserve Fund.  Of that, 6.7 million is specifically set aside for 
the future lake liner project.  This budget does include about $1 million to be spent from 
that savings for the design of that project, for the future design.  So just keep that in 
mind when we get to the capital projects and capital improvement portion of the 
presentation.   
Across all our other funds, about $8.5 million.  So the Town projects to have 47, $48 
million at the end of this year.  And those are available resources that we can use to 
budget for next year, including our ongoing projected revenues.   
At the last work session, we talked a lot about revenue.  So I'm just going to touch on it 
briefly.  In total, we're projecting $38.5 million of total projected revenues next year.  
That is a decrease from the current year.  But really the decrease has to do with the

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Dark Sky Discovery Center grant that Council approved us to apply for.  We had to 
include it in the budget.  We didn't get it.  So we didn't receive the revenue, we didn't 
spend it, but we had to budget for it.  So the revenues, the projected revenues are going 
down, but things are relatively level.  We are projecting a $750,000 increase in the 
General Fund, like we talked about, a slight decrease in the Streets Fund based on new 
league (ph.) projections they just sent us.  They're projecting HURF revenues to go down 
a little bit next year.  We'll also have less money in the fund, so we'll have less 
investment earnings on that balance.   
The Special Revenue Fund, that 2.9 million, $3 million-figure going down is because we 
don't have the grant budgeted there.  That fund is used for restricted types of money if 
we get grants.  The opioid settlement money, we spend out of that fund.  The 
RideChoice program, we spend out that fund.  But for the most part, for example, when 
we got the grant for the Four Peaks restroom, we spent out of this fund.  So when we 
get grants, we typically use this fund.  The bike park project is another one where we 
talked about where we would use this fund, because we're getting a donation from a 
nonprofit organization to help with that project.   
As you go down, Capital Projects Fund, there's less projected grants.  That's why you see 
a decrease there in the revenues.  And you'll also see our higher projections for 
development impact fee funds because we -- the Council adopted a new fee schedule.  
Yes, they have substantially increased, but that will mean more money in our coffers to 
be able to do capital projects with those monies.  So in total, $38.5 million.  You can also 
look in the prior three years of actuals where we brought in 41, 40 million, and 38.5 
million.  Remember, our state-shared revenues did drop a little bit with the state 
income tax flat tax implementations.  And it kind of leveled out, so we're starting to see 
our revenues flatten, but starting to increase a little bit from a state-shared revenue 
perspective.  So yes 38.5 million.  That's a lot of words.  But I just wanted to touch on 
revenues briefly as -- for the Town as a whole.   
The expenditure limitation.  We also have talked about this a lot for the past year.  Our 
expenditure limitation was just released.  The State releases this in about March every

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year.  The final number for next year for the town is $381 -- .18 million.  It's about 1.5 
million more than fiscal year '26, based on the inflation and population changes for the 
Town.  So we have to consider that in our budget process, because we have to budget 
to make sure that when we budget, we -- our budget will -- I'm sorry, I said budget like 
five times in one sentence, so.  That's not what I intended to say.  When we budget, we 
have to consider the expenditure limitation because after the revenues that don't count 
towards the expenditure limitation, the excludable revenues, we have to make sure that 
our budget says we'll be at least $1 under the expenditure limitation.  And so that's 
what this is trying to illustrate.  $38.2 million for our expenditure limitation.  That's the 
most we can constitutionally spend as a Town from revenues that count towards that 
cap.   
So these on the left, those are the revenues that we've accounted for that don't count in 
our budget towards that cap, that when we spend them, they will not count towards the 
expenditure limitation.  The grants that we're projecting to bring in of 1.7, $1.8 million, 
HURF revenues of $1.8 million, investment earnings of 840,000, and $2.2 million of 
other exclusions, including, for example, the fire insurance premium, tax, insurance 
revenues from the State.  That's an excludable revenue source that's included in that 
amount.  And then like we talked about, we have a lot of carryforwards or money that 
doesn't count towards the cap saved up from prior years.  
Yes. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilmember, do you have a question?  
SOLDINGER:  Yes. 
MCMAHON:  Yeah, but I want him to finish what he's saying.  
SOLDINGER:  Sure.  Yeah.  So the 4.4 million out of that carryforward, we're also 
projecting to use 4.4 million of that.  And as you can see, we're budgeting to make sure 
we're at least $1 below the expenditure limitation.  
MCMAHON:  Not to ask a stupid question, but do we have any carryforward at all?  
SOLDINGER:  Yes.  Mayor, Councilmember, yes, we do.  So last time we talked about 
this, we're projecting about 10 to $11 million of carryforward still at the -- this year-end,

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when everything is said and done.  It's actually going down because we're using some of 
that four to six million of that to be able to do more road work with the additional road 
projects this year.  So of that 10 to $11 million, we're budgeting to spend 4.4 million of 
that.   
MCMAHON:  Okay, thank you.  
SOLDINGER:  Complicated subject, but this is it in a nutshell.  This is what we do in our 
budgeting practice.  When you see the budget forms in the final budget, I can point -- 
it's like one obscure place on the budget forms, but we basically have to say these are 
our exclusions and we're $1 below the expenditure limit for the year.  So 6.6 million of 
exclusions plus carryforwards will get us there to that dollar below.   
So a concept that comes up around this time of year is contingency.  The Town manager 
and I, in preparation for this budget, we kind of discussed how we'd really like to stay 
above $1 million.  We were at 1.1 million last year.  Something we kind of got lucky with, 
with the MCSO contract coming in low again, some things worked out in our favor, and 
there were some bumps in the road, such as like our benefits and -- health insurance 
benefits went up more than expected, nine and a half percent this year.  So that 
impacted our budget, I guess negatively.  It added more to our budget.   
But we did end up at $1 million.  And I'm just going to show you real quick how we got 
there.  $26.8 million of projected revenues in the General Fund.  So we start with our 
revenues, and that's where we know, okay, we can budget for our departments up to 
this amount, but we want some wiggle room.  We want some buffer there in case 
something unforeseen comes up.  And we call that contingency.   
So illustrating that, we have 25.8 [sic] million of expenditures with amongst the 
departments in the General Fund.  And to bridge that gap, to have a balance, ongoing 
revenue and expenditure budget in the General Fund, we have $1 million of 
contingency.  And so we really met our goal, kind of fell into it, got kind of got lucky in a 
way, but it worked out in our favor.  I think we're in a good place with a very 
conservative budget.  Like we've talked about, we're very conservatively projecting next 
year with our flattening revenue situation at this point.  So we want to see how next

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year plays out.   
So for the contingency, just one thing to note.  Where is it in our budget?  It's in our 
General Government department.  And so and I'll -- and this presentation is set up to 
show you all the departments in just a little bit.  But our General Government 
department is really for any expenditures at the town level that don't really fit in any 
individual department.  For example, our liability insurance.  Our community contracts 
that we've talked about a few times go in this department.  On top of those things, it's 
really our contingency.   
So you'll see on the screen we have 1.002, like barely over $1 million of contingency this 
year in the General Government department or bucket, whatever you want to call it, 
within the General Fund bucket.  And again, that budget -- that budget is not used 
unless something comes up where we're like, oh, we did not plan for this.  We need to 
go to Council.  There's been a big storm; we need to do a cleanup.  Sometimes in some 
of the agenda items, you'll see we -- we talk about how we're going to get the budget, 
and some -- sometimes -- or typically it's from the General Fund contingency.  Or if it's in 
the -- for a capital project, a lot of times it's from the Capital Projects contingency.  So 
that's how we use contingencies in our budget.  And just kind of wanted to delve into 
that a little bit with you.   
But one other key concept to know is we've been talking about revenues being flat, but 
we're still conservative and we're still above our projections.  Last revenue report, we 
were seven percent above projections for the year.  We are unable, by policy, to use our 
contingency budget authority unless we're meeting our projections, because it doesn't 
exist.  Going back to this slide, that 1 million really doesn't exist if we're not meeting our 
revenue projections, because that's how we -- we balance our budget.  So our policy 
says you can't use that budget authority if that happens.   
So it's a lot of words.  Any questions on contingency or anything?  No.  Okay.   
So as a whole, this shows you holistically what our budget looks like.  In the proposed 
budget for next year, 49.2 million budgeted.  We already talked about that 38.5 million 
of projected revenues.  And so a question might come up, why -- how can you balance

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your budget with higher expenditures and revenues?  The simple answer is, is we use 
existing fund balances.  Like I talked about.  We have $47 million projected of fund 
balances across all our funds as a Town.  And so our practice is, in the General Fund, we 
balance our ongoing revenues and ongoing expenditures.  But across all of our funds, if 
things come up, like the Streets Fund, we want to do more streets work.  We're only 
bringing $4.5 million of ongoing revenues or so.  Well, we want to do $8 million of road 
work next year.  Well, we can do that because we're balancing our budget using existing 
fund balance.  So that's kind of how it works in a nutshell.  I know it's a kind of a 
confusing topic, but that's some of the practices that we have to go through when we fill 
out the final budget forms for the State as well.   
Yes.  
MCMAHON:  So is any -- sorry.  Is any of that X 49 the carryforward money?  
SOLDINGER:  Yes.  So Mayor, Councilmember, going back to that previous slide about 
the expense limitation, out of the 49 million, several of the expenditures were planning 
to use -- it's in this huge spreadsheet that Michael puts together, and he probably has a 
printout over here.  We look at each fund individually and we say, what strategically 
makes sense?  We hear that the Council wants to do more road work or there's more 
capital projects.  Should we use this carryforward or these exclusions in certain funds?  
So what we've been doing the past few years is we've been saving up HURF revenues 
and not trying to spend those.  We've been using the money we've been transferring 
into the Streets Fund that's considered unrestricted or it counts towards the cap.   
And so yes, we look at each one, we say, which exclusions are we going to use this year, 
or should we save this, such as HURF if we can.  And we'll just use carry-forward in a 
different fund instead.  So it's going to be -- like, we have 19 funds total right now, 18 
funds have budgeted in them.  And individually, we look at every single fund to see 
which carryforward items we're going to use.  
MCMAHON:  Thank you for the clarification.  I appreciate it.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah.  No problem.   
And then just one thing to note, a little bit different from previous years to this year, we

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did -- during the work session, we talked about the staff pay adjustment because we 
had that data available.  So everything we're talking about, as far as numbers on the 
next few slides, are going to include all the staff pay adjustments already and all the 
recommended supplements that I'll get into in a minute.  So really, if you're happy with 
everything in the budget today, we don't need to make any changes to the budget.  
You'll see pretty much the same budget at the tentative budget next month, but if 
there's something you'd like to change, we'll talk about that and we can make it -- it's 
most likely we can make it happen in the budget.   
So recommend supplements.  I will say that our supplements -- so supplements are just 
departmental requests for additional budget.  The way it works -- I probably haven't 
done the best job of explaining this in some of my budget presentations, but we have a 
base budget model.  We keep our budget from last year to maintain levels of service.  So 
each department has the same budget.  We take out anything that was considered a 
one-time budgetary item.  Like last year, community services did a lot of painting of park 
amenities.  That was, I want to say, 20 or $30,000.  There was a couple other things that 
they did.  We took that out of their budget, and all that, that's considered their base 
budget going into this budget session for fiscal year '27.  And all we do is add the things 
we've talked about:  the benefit increase, the costs, the staff pay adjustment.  And then 
after that, anything that needs to be updated, we add the recommended supplements 
that we're going to talk about now.   
And so the recommended supplements are going to be included in the budget.  And so I 
don't think I touched on this, that long diatribe that I just explained.  But the -- what was 
I going to say.  Sorry, I'm tripping up on my words now, so it'll probably come back to 
me.  But yeah. 
GOODWIN:  Paul, can I interrupt for one second?   
SOLDINGER:  Yes. 
GOODWIN:  I wanted to just -- you can take breaths, too.   
SOLDINGER:  Okay. 
GOODWIN:  So I wanted to just talk really quickly about the supplements.  The other

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piece of the supplement conversation -- Paul's exactly right.  We do a base budget 
model where we roll over.  But I think one of the things is, well, what if you saved 
money?  Shouldn't you give that money back?  Because what we do is staff is instructed 
if there are cost savings or measures that are going down -- I know that's very rare, but 
it does happen, where they got a, you know, a better deal on Turkey Trot T-shirts or 
they, you know, are saving money in other areas -- they are asked to use those resulting 
savings to cover other expenses that are going up, i.e. if you come with a supplement, it 
has to have been can you absorb it already in your existing budget?  And if you cannot, 
you need to explain why.  You need to justify what it is, why it is, why you need it, how 
you're going to cover those costs, or how it's going to improve your service delivery.   
I kind of mentioned it when we opened up.  This is not a wish list situation.  This is -- it's 
imperative from the staff perspective that they have to come and really justify the asks.  
So the things that you're seeing today have gone through that sort of rigorous review, 
and not just myself, but through, you know, through finance and through -- even 
through each other in the sense of, okay, if we only have so many marbles to divvy up, 
how then do I explain giving one to you, but not you?  We all have to be on the same 
page as a team to make sure this is the best place to divvy that up, and that's what 
you're seeing today.  So I wanted to make sure that that there's a method to it as well.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, it's been thoroughly vetted. 
GOODWIN:  Indeed.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, I -- yeah, Rachael, I appreciate that.  And I think I was kind of on a roll 
and just talking, talking, talking.  But no, that's an important key point.  We spend a lot 
of time talking about each supplement.  We meet with each department.  We talk about 
their needs for the year.  They provide justifications.  We have further discussions, 
discuss with the town manager.   
And the key point I was trying to make a minute ago that I forgot was that we had a very 
lean amount of supplements this year.  We've kind of been warning about the flattening 
revenues and the situation we've seen.  So departments didn't submit as many 
supplements as last year.  I think we had about half or maybe a little bit less.  So these

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are the ones we feel really good about that we want to include in the budget.  And so 
we'll seek your direction on them.   
But the first ones on your screen are ongoing supplements.  So these would be added to 
the budget on an ongoing basis.  Starting next year, they're in the budget.  They'll just 
keep going unless something happens and we decide, you know, we don't need it 
anymore.  And we'll go on to the next few slides talking about other types.  But with 
ongoing supplements, the top two are in the General Fund, about $12,800 in total for 
the General Fund is what it would impact.   
And so number one, ChatGPT, we're asking for an organization-wide subscription.  We 
found that a few departments use it.  I actually use it quite a bit.  I've been using an 
upgraded version the last six months or so.  It's been extremely helpful.  I could talk a 
little bit about the benefits, where if you're comparing a bid packet versus another one, 
or a contract versus another one, you want to find a very obscure provision in a 70-page 
document, you upload it and it identifies it within seconds for you and where you need 
to look and -- and explain it and summarize it.  So I've been using it, and not everyone 
has -- else has had the opportunity.  So this would give us, I believe, 15 licenses for 
department heads and other designees to be able to use the upgraded version of AI.  So 
that's the first one.   
The next one would be staffing for community services for inflatables at events.  The 
idea with this one -- and I forgot to mention, the departments are here to answer very 
specific questions if you have them.  But this one, we just need more contracted staffing 
for inflatables at some of our special events.  Just from a liability standpoint, we don't 
have enough staffing to make sure everything's safe and people are following the rules.  
And so that was something that was discussed, and that would hit the community 
services budget for $8,300.   
Economic development funds.  So the first one would actually come out of the Economic 
Development Fund.  As a reminder, when you see Amanda come up here talking about 
our economic development programs, downtown programs, she's the one division in 
the administration department, so one of the people that you see that comes up here

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that's not paid out of the General Fund.  She's paid out of three separate funds:  the 
Economic Development Fund, the Downtown Fund, and the Tourism Fund.  So when 
you see supplements that are coming from her division, they're going to be paid out of 
these funds.   
So you'll see that first one, the promotional material, the idea is to have more 
promotional materials for the Town to bring to events, such as the conferences and 
things of that nature, just to have more available for promotional purposes for the 
Town.  And so that would be a $10,000 ongoing supplement in Economic Development 
Fund.   
The second one, the Avenue of the Fountain Street Banners Replacements, in your 
budget book, it actually explains Amanda's explanation, justification.  There was 
pretty -- a pretty robust explanation for this one, talking about how in the downtown 
strategy approved by the Council, it talks about regularly replacing the street banners.  
So it ties it back to something the Council already approved.  So the idea would be to 
give her the budget to be able to buy new banners every year to replace them on the 
avenue.  And so that's what that would be for.   
And then the Downtown Fund, another supplement for downtown videos.  This has to 
do with, from a marketing standpoint, doing more promotional videos for social media 
and the likes for our downtown businesses, the downtown district.  And so that would 
be $10,000 also in the Downtown Fund.  Any questions on any of those ongoing 
supplements?  
WATTS:  Well, two questions.  One relates to ChatGPT.  And of the hundreds of AI 
products that are on the market, how did you land on ChatGPT, other than the fact that 
it was probably one of the first ones out there?  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, that's a great question, Councilmember.  It came from our IT 
director, our chief technology administrator.  But I've used several and I'd say ChatGPT 
has the easiest interface.  It's user-friendly and it's been very -- it's helped me achieve 
my results really well.  I do like different -- I pay for my own actually out of my own 
pocket for a couple other because I like using multiple AI products because they're very

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helpful from an efficiency standpoint.  So I use -- like, the road bonds presentation I did 
a few months ago, I used, I think, Canva AI for that.  And I also have created some of the 
AI images in NotebookLM, which is a Google product.  So I personally use multiple.  But I 
think with the integration of AI into our everyday practices, using something that's more 
widely -- widespread used is probably the thought, but.  Mike's back there somewhere 
behind that --  
WATTS:  Maybe I can corner him later.  Because I think there are so many AI products 
that are out there that are task-specific, if you would.  So one that is focused on 
governmental issues.  I just want to make sure that we're on the same page, because 
ChatGPT is a very wide-ranging background.  I use things like Perplexity, Claude, those 
types of things.  And they are unique in some aspects and general in others.  So I'll talk 
to Mike more about that.   
The other question I've got is the Downtown Fund for the downtown videos.  Is that a 
contract employee or is that a direct employee? 
SOLDINGER:  Is Amanda around?  
Amanda, do you want to address that one? 
JACOBS:  I'm here.  Good afternoon, instead of evening, Mr. Mayor, Councilmember 
Watts.  So with the downtown videos, yes, we are contracting most of those through 
Andrew Day of DayLiteFilms.  He is a local resident and business owner.  When our PIO 
Mike Pelton can help, he can, but he's a one-man operation, so it's been very slim.   and 
so just wanting to be able to rely on daylight films to assist with this.  What we did this 
year is within the Downtown Fund, a previous ongoing supplement was printed 
advertising, so I did not do that in lieu of doing the downtown videos.  So in addition to 
marketing, it's also a business retention and expansion tool.  And the businesses have 
been loving that extra effort.  
WATTS:  My concern is with the videos and making sure that whomever we use, 
whether it's internal or external, they are a licensed 107 operator.  There's a liability 
issue because I've seen some of the videos and we fly over groups, and there's 
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one of the criteria is that you're 107 licensed.  I would ask you to make sure of that.  
Okay? 
JACOBS:  Okay.  Sounds good.  
Any other questions while I'm up here?  
EARLE:  Yes.  Yes, thank you.   
JACOBS:  You're welcome. 
EARLE:  I just wanted to ask on the banner replacements, are you changing the size on 
them that was talked about before you do? 
WATTS:  So Mr. Mayor, Councilmember Earle, for this, no, we're not changing the size.  
This would replace them each year.  
EARLE:  Just once a year.  Okay. 
WATTS:  So once a year.  Why we're not changing the size just yet -- we previously 
talked about this is -- we appreciate the comments, but with -- its two parts.  Right now 
how it's currently structured, we cannot do that.   
Mr. Weldy, is it tenants?   
Tennans (ph.).  So we can't move that around.   
EARLE:  Oh, okay. 
JACOBS:  And then two, if we're wanting to look at that, we look at that as part of the 
overall downtown streetscapes, the capital project.  So as we're looking at Verde River 
and Parkview, if that's a desire of Council, then making some of those potential 
modifications then. 
EARLE:  Okay.  Thank you.  
JACOBS:  You're welcome.  
GOODWIN:  Mr. Mayor, can I jump in real quick?  Just to answer Councilmember Watts' 
question, I did quickly ping Mike Ciccarone just to say, hey, why ChatGPT?  And he did 
clarify, while that is probably the most widely-used, especially in our organization, so 
that there's a familiarity, there's a easier learning curve for anybody that chooses to use 
it, it also has the most versatile sort of use, whether it -- in terms of dynamics, whether 
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has probably the most robust wide availability.  But that being said, Mike said he's not 
sold -- not married to it, that it's simply a placeholder for a -- an AI product for the 
support of staff.  
WATTS:  So he texted you that answer, but I can't get him up here to grill him himself? 
GOODWIN:  Yes.  
WATTS:  Okay.  Thanks.  
GOODWIN:  I'll take the heat for him.  
SOLDINGER:  All right.  Okay.  So next slide is one-time supplements.  This is what I 
described earlier.  We would add these to the budget for next year.  But we will take 
them out in the budget process for the following year.  So it's just a one-time need.  And 
none of them are in the General Fund this year.  They're -- the first two in the 
Downtown Fund, one's in the Court Enhancement Fund for the municipal court.  The 
next three are vehicle replacements out of our Vehicle Replacement Fund.   
So again, for the first one there, Verde River banners, the same idea with the banners 
other than this would be for Verde River if the construction is complete next year.  We 
have heard that there may be delays in that timeline, so we'll talk about that here soon.  
But we have this in the budget in case it is complete.  And we could buy banners for the 
Verde River area.   
The next one, Mr. Weldy is here to answer any specific questions, but there's a $40,000 
request for building a performance pad on the avenue.  And my understanding, this has 
to do with, like, the Christmas trees and some of the special events, having a pad to -- a 
safer, more durable pad or placement for things like that.  So they -- 
Would you manufacture it in-house or use a contractor?   
Use a contractor for that.  So that's coming from public works, but it's a downtown 
improvement.  So we thought the Downtown Fund would be the appropriate source of 
funding for that.  The Downtown Fund, we have a lot of money in that fund at this point 
that we haven't budgeted to spend down very much.  We have 730,000 today.  There 
have been talks, obviously, about possible restrooms and things like that in the past, but 
at this point we have a large fund balance and so we're finding creative ways to use it

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for that purpose.  
MCMAHON:  Question.  
SOLDINGER:  Yes.   Do you have a question?  
MCMAHON:  Thank you.   
Justin, would you mind -- I know you and I talked about this, but would you mind 
standing up and explaining this a little bit more?  Thank you.  
WELDY:  Mr. Mayor, Councilmember.  So performance Pat is kind of a generic term that 
I came up with.  What they will be used for is to support the holiday lighting, so the 
trees in two locations.  Over the past several years, under guidance and direction from 
the Mayor and Council, we have either had contractors or a group of volunteers install 
two trees.  The Public Works Department has built and maintained those platforms.  But 
each year, simply because of the nature of the environment over a water feature, even 
marine-grade materials have a tendency to deteriorate at a rate that is unacceptable.  
The plan is to make the primary structure out of aluminum to support it, and then a less 
expensive, durable finishing surface for the trees and the decorations to be placed on.  
You're welcome.  
WATTS:  Fixed or permanent?  
WELDY:  Mr. Mayor, Councilmember, it would -- they would be fixed.  So we would bring 
them in and out annually.  The only difference is currently we make them out of wood, 
and we utilize either timberjacks or automobile jacks to support the platform.  So we 
would make, for lack of a better description, a folding aluminum platform that would be 
removed.  
WATTS:  So it's portable, not fixed? 
WELDY:  Portable, correct.   
WATTS:  Thank you.  
SOLDINGER:  Okay.  Core Enhancement Fund.  This is a fund we don't talk about very 
much.  It's when you -- when the Council approved the municipal court fee increases last 
year, part of that was the Court Enhancement Fund fees.  There's a specific statute that 
says you can charge -- as a court, you can charge additional fees to support court

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programs.  And so we do that.  We have about $370,000 saved up in this fund.  And 
we -- the only thing we use it on an ongoing basis, for the most part, is our court 
security that's new.  And so with that one -- I'm just explaining the fund a little bit 
because we don't talk about it very much.  But the request is for a refresh of the 
furniture in the judge's office.  Last year, we used the Court Enhancement Fund to do a 
broad refresh of all the other furniture throughout the municipal court, but not the 
judge's office.  So this request is to now do the judge's office for 10,000 bucks.   
Okay.  And then out of the Vehicle Replacement Fund, we discussed -- I know I talked 
about this -- these requests with at least one councilmember.  Basically, we have a 
policy that says every vehicle that we purchase as a Town, after ten years or 100,000 
miles, it's up for replacement.  We don't always do that.  We do have discussions 
internally about the vehicles, but two of these three, I believe, it's 156 and 159, one in 
public works, one in community services, are in pretty bad disrepair.  One, the AC keeps 
needing to be replaced, the other one, just lots of repairs and maintenance needed.  So 
it's time for those two to be replaced.  The third one, we -- it's up for replacement but 
still in decent shape, so we're going to keep it and repurpose it to be used by 
community services for special events.  It has a lift gate so it's a useful vehicle still.   
So the only point I'm trying to make is we don't just replace vehicles because the policy 
says.  We have a discussion, we try to figure out what's best for the Town, and we'll 
keep one of those vehicles for future use.  In that fund, we have -- we don't talk about 
that fund very much, but we have 3.3 million saved up in that fund right now.  That 
sounds like a lot.  But we have fire trucks coming down the pike that are going to need 
to be replaced, and that can run us 1 to $2 million apiece.  So definitely don't want to 
spend too much out of the fund if we can help it.   
Any questions -- any other questions about one-time supplements?  No.   
Okay.  Personnel --  
Yes. 
WATTS:  So we do have a very defined prescription for based upon not only ROI, but 
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it's -- it's my opinion that we should have that applied to a lot of different things.  There 
are certain things that are a little bit ambiguous, subjective, et cetera, but when you've 
got something as defined as the vehicles, I think it goes a long way to supporting your 
position.  So thanks for that.  
SOLDINGER:  I appreciate that, Councilman.   
Okay.  Personnel supplements.  So all three personnel supplements brought forth to the 
Council this year are in the General Fund.  The first one is for community services.  And 
the idea with that is to add another groundskeeper part-time to provide coverage on 
the weekends.  I believe, if I'm saying it correctly -- Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong -- but 
we don't currently have groundskeeping on the weekends.  And so to have some 
coverage on the weekends will be very helpful, especially if there's leaks or situations 
that need addressed.  Kevin doesn't have to drive out here every Saturday to take care 
of that stuff, or his staff.   
And also special events.  We have a lot of special events on weekends, and sometimes 
there's groundskeeping needs, something's going wrong.  Just having someone on staff 
to be able to address stuff like that, that would be the idea behind this supplement.  
And so would add $31,000 to the Community Services department.  And these would be 
on an ongoing basis, add to the budget moving forward.  Any questions on that one for 
Kevin?  No.   
Okay.  The second one, the deputy town clerk.  Here, the idea is we have a lot of need 
for a deputy town clerk.  We have, how many, Bev?  150 public records requests so far 
this year.  We are recognizing we have to -- we should be strengthening our document 
retention practices and things like that.  So the idea is to allow Angela to move into that 
role full-time and to open up her current position as the executive assistant to the town 
manager for recruitment.  So we would be adding additional FTE or staff member to the 
Administration department under the Town Clerk's Division at $124,000, inclusive of 
benefits and taxes.  Any questions on that?  Or discussion?  
EARLE:  Thank you.   
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EARLE:  I just want to ask, if for some reason we didn't have so many public records 
requests and everything was up-to-date, would we still need that extra employee?  
GOODWIN:  I'll jump in.  Bev, you're welcome to chime in as well.  I think at this point it's 
something we could consider, you know, if and when we were to get there, so to speak.  
Right now we're -- you know, as of right now, you just heard we have about 150 public 
records requests for the first quarter of the year.  Last year, we had over 400.  We are 
on track to meet or exceed that.  So unfortunately, I don't see a slowdown in that world.  
But if by chance it did, sure, we could certainly revisit.   
I think part of this other piece of this conversation and Paul really hit the highlights is 
remembering that the clerk's role is a high risk and it's legally mandated.  We have 
things that have to be done, and there are timelines and associated reporting that is 
not -- that is nonnegotiable, right?  Where a lot of times we are not very deep in our -- in 
our staffing, i.e. if -- I'm just going to use Mike Pelton.  If Mike Pelton's out, there's not 
another Mike Pelton that does his -- the work that he's working on pauses until he 
returns.  The clerk's office is not able to do that.  There's elections and reporting.  And 
again, if we have public records or other legal requests and other legal things, we have 
to -- we have to follow them.  So this is helping create that redundancy so that if there 
are out -- staff outings or other things or other reasons, we can't, you know, Bev -- or 
the clerk, whoever that may be, isn't solely responsible for all of that and managing that 
independently.  So this is kind of creating, again, redundancies where we have the most 
risk.   
EARLE:  Thank you.  
SOLDINGER:  Want to chime in, Beth?  Yeah. 
BETH:  I was going to just mention that succession planning is also very important.  It's 
the knowledge transfer.  I won't always be here, so you want to make sure that you get 
that information passed along to the next generation.   
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  (Indiscernible)? 
BETH:  You never know.  
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SOLDINGER:  I appreciate that.   
And the third one, our favorite discussion in the past year or two, the fire department, 
firefighter.  So we are adding one more.  From a financial perspective, I like the way it's 
set up.  Like I know the fire department would like three more people.  For now, we're 
adding one.  We'll see how next year goes, see if we can make it work and be able to 
have almost that -- I don't want to call it negotiation process, but it kind of is because, 
you know, they've made it clear they would like three people.  And so we'll try to make 
that work.  Or in our proposed budgets each year and our discussions with Council, if it's 
something we think we can make happen and the overtime data still supports it, that's 
something we'll have further discussions on.  But for this year, just one more to the fire 
department.  
MCMAHON:  I have a question.  In only hiring one, how does that affect -- does that 
adversely affect the fire department and the services they provide?   Not to open a huge 
conversation about it.  And if we have the money in the budget, why wouldn't we look 
at -- at least two out of the three?  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, absolutely.  That's a really good question.  Kind of a deep question.  
So Mayor, Councilwoman McMahon, I'll address it, and if Chief Ott wants to correct me, 
he can.  But we don't have a lot of money in the budget.  We have that $1 million 
contingency.  But that has been shrinking as our revenues have flattened the past few 
years.  I was just watching a town hall for, I think it was, Paradise Valley.  I look at some 
of the benchmark communities, and they have, like 2 or $3 million in their contingency, 
in their general fund.  So it's -- ours is shrinking a little bit.  We're still in good shape.  
We're very conservative in our practices, obviously, like we talked about many times.  
But this -- this feels like the right fit for the Town, adding one to see how it impacts the 
overtime. 
And from a logistical or fire department standpoint, what I understand is they would like 
to have three.  Their ideal scenario would be to hire all three next year.  Because the 
way they work is almost in platoons or shifts.  And so they have -- it's almost like a 
family.  Think of it as a family.  They have three different families or shifts, and so

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they're all working together.  If you're adding one person to one of those families, you 
might have to move that person to other families or shifts.  And so it creates a little bit 
of challenges as far as logistics and you know, making that work for them.  And it's not 
what they're comfortable with.  But for now, this seemed like the best approach 
collectively in our discussions.  
MCMAHON:  But in the future, in this fiscal period, if something comes up where they 
really need another person, we would be able to look at that, correct, and make 
adjustments?  
SOLDINGER:  Yes, absolutely.  That's something the Council can consider mid-year.  And 
we could -- because we have that contingency, we can -- if -- if Council want to add 
someone mid-year, we could add that to the budget through a budget transfer and 
make that work if that's something that they came to Council for.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  Because you know, and I think that when we originally brought him 
in-house, we knew and it was up front about what they were going to need and 
anticipated budget over a couple years.  So it's -- to me, this is not an extraordinary 
request, knowing that when we brought him in, it was going to cost us some money.  
Yeah.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, I agree, Councilwoman.  I would -- the only thing I would say is this 
year was a little bit more challenging to make some of that work, too, because there 
were several other things with the fire department that we already had to account for, 
like the full year of the command structure.  So again, valid points 100 percent, valid 
requests.  This is just the best kind of midpoint for us as a town, in my opinion.   
All right.  Did I get it?  Thank you.   
Okay.  I will be kind of breezing through these slides.  And you know how I kind of get on 
a roll, so just chime in if you have questions.  But we're going to go over the funds now.  
With the General Fund, we're going to focus on the department-level budgets.  And I 
will call out -- I will call out anything that I feel like specifically should be called out.  But 
feel free to let me know if you have questions.   
So with the General Fund again, $26.8 million.  With -- on the expenditure side, we

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balance our expenditures with our revenues.  And very consistent since I've been here.  
Most of our -- about half of our General Fund budget goes to public safety.  The fire 
department at 6.5 million, plus our law enforcement at 5.8.  That's about 46 percent of 
our General Fund budget right there on those top two departments.   
Community Services is our next biggest department, going down to administration.  
Public works that are not streets-related items, like facilities and engineering, general 
government, development services, municipal court, and the Mayor and Council, there 
at the bottom.   
So now I'll go through each department and I'll kind of show you what's changed on a 
department level.  So the Administration department -- I have two slides.  One shows 
you the expenditures by object, which just means the expenditure type of expenditure.  
The next slide will show you the total budget by division within the Administration 
department.  So the payroll is going up by 8.9% in this department.  And really most of 
that has to do with what we've already discussed, the benefit increases, the -- the pay 
adjustments and the deputy town clerk.  So we're adding another staff member to this 
department.  All in all, that brings up the department by 8.9% in that category.   
The other categories, I mean, they are moving a little bit.  And that's part of our 
practice.  We look at individual line items and we try to line up the budget better by 
what we're spending a little bit.  But for the most part, I think all in all, in those other 
categories are not changing too much.  So we have a $3.5 million budget, an increase of 
6.4 percent in the Administration department starting next year.  Another way to look at 
it -- again, this does not include economic development.   
Oh, yes.  
EARLE:  This is not a hard one.  How did you get your utilities to go down so much when 
my personal ones haven't?  
SOLDINGER:  Oh, just a lot of luck, I guess.  I don't know.  The utilities here are like, I 
want to say, internet or -- it's -- what?  Yeah.  Oh.  Basically, this is just accounting for 
central utility costs.  And it's an accounting treatment.  It's kind of hard to explain.  Yeah, 
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Okay.  So another way to look at it is just on a division level.  A lot of times we don't talk 
about the division level and administration, like IT.  The Finance division, for example.  
They're all relatively staying the same or barely going up.  The only one that's really 
shooting up is the Town Clerk division because of the new staff.  So that's why I thought 
it'd be helpful to point this out.   
General government.  You can kind of see there in the contractual services line we 
brought -- took down the community contracts budget.  Based on the prior 
conversations, we renegotiated the unsheltered contract with CASS.  So we brought that 
budget down.  So you'll see a decrease there.  But overall, that also shows the 
contingency, kind of illustrates what I've been talking about.  When we actually spend 
that budget, it's not -- it doesn't come out of contingency.  We will move it into other 
places if we need it.  But you'll see that from this year, 1.121 of contingency or budget 
for unforeseen expenses, that's going down by about ten percent to a little bit over $1 
million.   
Yes.  
WATTS:  The contractual services.  This may be a question for John.  I don't want him to 
go to sleep on me.   
Hi, John. 
Are we well-positioned?  Do we have any -- included any computer or systems program 
updates to meet the State requirement, a ten-day turnaround on permitting?  
JOHN:  Mayor, Councilmember, the easy answer is no.  The citizens serve that we have 
works very well for us, and we're able to track and handle our processes.  I think we'll be 
able to comply with any of the requirements through that system that we currently 
have.  
WATTS:  I didn't realize citizens serve included all of that.  So that's good to know that 
we have -- we can meet the requirements of the State.  So thanks.  
SOLDINGER:  All right.  The municipal court.  So most of the Municipal Court department 
is paid out of the General Fund.  However, they do pay some expenses out of the Court 
Enhancement Fund we talked about.  So I kind of regret the way I presented this slide

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now because it's kind of busy, but it's just showing the entire budget for the department 
as a whole.  I believe out of the General Fund, it's like 570, $580,000 for the municipal 
court, and the rest comes out of the Court Enhancement Fund.  But you'll see the 
662,000, an increase of 5.7 percent across the department.  Part of that is the 
supplement we talked about for the judge office furniture.   
This is also another busy slide.  So apologies.  This is kind of how the budget book 
worked out with the Public Works Department.  The Public Works Department, they 
kind of work out of different funds.  Operationally, they work out of the General Fund 
for anything that's not streets-related, like facilities, engineering, things like that.  They 
work out the Streets Fund for all the streets items that we talk about, the pavement 
management program, the other streets-related repairs, striping, things like that.  They 
also manage the capital projects out of the Capital Projects Fund.  But we don't consider 
that an operational budget item.  That's kind of separate in our capital improvement 
plan.   
So in total, not much has changed in the General Fund.  It's 2.5 million in total.  It kind of 
shows the categories there.  Not much is changing there.  But what's kind of key, and 
we'll talk about more when we get to the Streets Fund, is we are proposing an increase 
for road-paving work next year.  It's kind of complicated to explain because the public 
has heard that we're spending ten million this year.  That's because we -- the Council 
approved a large capital project for Palomino doing -- redoing Palomino.  So that was 
budgeted separately in our capital improvement plan, plus whatever we budgeted out 
of the Streets Fund. 
This year, without that large capital improvement plan, we thought, you know, the town 
manager and I discussed and we thought what would be best?  What would be 
somewhat sustainable to allow the Council to continue doing a little bit more road work 
the next year, next couple of years?  And so we are proposing an increase directly out of 
the Streets Fund from 5 million to $6 million for road-paving repairs.  So you'll see that 
6.3 on your screen.  I know it's kind of small, I apologize, but out of that 6.3 million, 6 
million of that is specifically for the pavement management program.  When Justin

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comes up and gives you the list of roads he's recommending to do for next year.  And 
we can talk about it now, or we can talk about when we get to the Streets Fund, if you'd 
like.   
Okay.  Development Services department.  This department, not much to write home 
about.  Very similar budget.  Not moving too much at 1.57 million.  One thing I'll say is 
we have been evaluating.  Well, the impact fee schedule just came on board, so we are 
projecting more impact fee revenues next year.  We're also looking at next year, 
considering all of our building permit fees and relooking at that and seeing what we can 
address there in next year's budget.   
Community Services Department, an increase of 3.5 percent at $4.6 million.   
The fire department.  So here's our crown jewel of our budget conversations for the 
past two years.  This is kind of why I thought it was important to show at the 
department level in the past few budget presentations, just because so much has been 
discussed, it's almost hard to keep track of what the fire department.  So putting 
everything together, everything Council has approved, this is what the budget looks like, 
that $6.47 million, an increase of 8.6 percent.  It's going up more than the other 
departments.  And most of that has to do with the payroll that's going up because of the 
full command structure -- the full year of the new command structure with the battalion 
chiefs, the pay raises.  They are the biggest department from a staffing level.  That's 
about a third of our staffing budget.  Or even more than that, 35, 40percent.  And so you 
know, when the staff get a raise, that's going to impact this budget, and then adding the 
new firefighters.  So all that combined, you'll see that top line at 5.15 million for payroll.  
That's increased by 9.5 percent.   
The only other thing to point out that's probably a little bit more obscure is with the 
brush trucks coming on board at some point, the vehicle replacements, that internal 
service line item has gone up.  Just because when we do with that, I don't think we ever 
talk about this much in front of Council, because it's kind of a confusing thing for me to 
even explain, but because we're getting new vehicles, what we do is that 270,000, that's 
not something that the fire department is actually spending.  That's just saying $270,000

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is charged to the department, and we're going to save that money in our Vehicle 
Replacement Fund for when we need to replace those vehicles.  So that's one thing to 
kind of know, that that is going up because they're getting new vehicles here in the near 
future, and so we're budgeting to save up for that.  So any questions?  
WATTS:  Well,  how much of the contingency do we have left over from the 150 last year 
to get the 20 -- to go down to the 20 percent for the 120 for this year?  
SOLDINGER:  So Mayor, Councilmember, that's a good question.  We have a contingency 
in a few departments, especially, like the fire department, because it's challenging to 
make sure we have everything accounted for and budgeted for.  If you remember, last 
year, at one point, I kind of presented that the fire department spent 5.18 million in 
fiscal year '25, compared to 5.5, $5.6 million budget.  This year, that 5.9 million budget, 
we're going to be a lot closer to that amount.  When everything is said and done, we're 
probably going to be eating into that contingency quite a bit.  Because -- well, we were 
expecting to get a brush truck this year, but it looks like we might not get it till July.  So if 
that doesn't happen, that would have -- oh, I'm sorry, that came out of the Vehicle 
Replacement Fund.  I'm sorry.   
The overtime -- the equipment -- I was talking about the equipment, the scuba units 
that we bought.  We didn't have a large equipment purchase the prior year.  In fiscal 
year '26, we just bought $260,000 worth of scuba equipment.  There's also other 
purchases down the line.  So anyways, all I'm trying to say is we reduce that a little bit 
because we felt like we accounted for all the payroll needs for next year, and we're 
hoping the overtime comes down a little bit as well, adding the firefighters.  But we felt 
comfortable doing that just in the overall budget process.  
WATTS:  I guess my concern is taking it down $30,000.  If we used -- utilize the entire 
150 last year from the contingency fund, then we take this down 30,000, while I see that 
there could be some savings in the utilities and service vehicles and so on, I don't want 
to be penny-wise pound-foolish on this.   
SOLDINGER:  Right. 
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contracts, should we keep it at 150 so that we don't run into getting stymied on things 
when we have an urgent need?  And I would hope that that was all taken into 
consideration.  I just don't want to be too short.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah.  I mean, it's --  
Would you like to --  
GOODWIN:  Yeah, I was just going to chime in. 
And you're absolutely right.  And we've had similar conversations about what is the right 
number?  Because the fire department has done a lot of fluctuating and have had 
evolving needs.  And we're hopeful that this year we sort of level off and we get a better 
idea.  That then being said, going back to the overall contingency in the General Fund, 
we have that additional contingency in the General so that if for some reason the 120 
isn't enough, we can draw down from that if we had to.  So we do have some additional 
wiggle room.  It's just not allocated specifically for the fire department.  
WATTS:  Okay.  Thanks.  
SOLDINGER:  I mean, to touch on that point, we could change it back to the 150, but we 
do have kind of a backup plan.  So I mean if there's direction to do that, we can make 
that change to give them a little bit more budget.  
WATTS:  As far as I'm concerned, as long as it was considered.  And like I said, whether 
it's vehicle maintenance service, et cetera, and labor savings and those sorts of things, 
and that's why you came down the 30,000, then I'm okay with that.  Particularly now 
that town manager has, you know, clarified that we still have another contingency fund 
that we can pull from.  I just didn't want to be too short.  As much as I argued against 
some things for the fire department, this is one of those things that contingency funds 
are just that.  And if we utilize last year's, then I don't want to be short this year.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah, absolutely.  We'll consider that feedback.  Thank you, Councilman.  
Yes.  
EARLE:  Thank you, Mayor.   
Because I wasn't up here in 2023, did we only spend $1 million for fire then, and then 
we bring it in and it goes to 5 million, which will now be 6.5 million?  Or was it just in a

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different bucket?  
SOLDINGER:  So that's a really astute observation.  I also wasn't here in fiscal year '23, 
but I do have what I believe is the correct answer.  In fiscal '23, that was the last year 
that we spent ARPA funding on public safety.  So we got $8.4 million from the federal 
government.  And one of the allowable uses of that money was for public safety in 
response to the pandemic.  And so we spent, I want to say, about 4 million, $4.2 million 
of the fire department expenditures from our Special Revenue Fund, actually, because 
we put the federal monies in there.  And so if you add the 4. -- or right around 4 million 
to that, that's probably what we spent on the fire department that year.  Yep.  All right.  
Law enforcement.  This department's all for contracted services.  But you know, just to 
point out our MCSO contract, it kind of -- actually, if you go to fiscal year '23, there's 
something similar there with that lower cost I believe we may have applied.  Does that 
sound right, Michael?   
Yeah.  We applied some of the ARPA money towards MCSO contract in fiscal year '23.  
So that's a little bit lower than we actually spent.  But you'll kind of see that progression 
from fiscal year '24 where we had the 6.1 million, 6.1 million again for MCSO patrol.  
And that slowly has gone down to the 5.69.  That's really helped us since I've been here 
as far as putting the budget together and building the budget.  But you'll see the 
department has gone down by one percent because of that.   
All right.  Coming down the home stretch.  Streets Fund.  So kind of what I already 
discussed, a lot of the budget is very similar, other than adding another million dollars to 
the road-paving work budget.  One thing to note, that I sent an email to Mayor and 
Council out -- about, is internally, the staff does plan to use part of that budget for what 
Justin explained to Council on some of the roads that weren't done in 2016 time frame.  
I watched that presentation again.  He cited about a $3 million number.  So there's 
already about 3 million of that 6 million earmarked for that work.   
So with that, this is our proposal.  If there's any feedback you have or you want to 
discuss now, we would appreciate your feedback on that.  No?  Okay.  All right, that's 
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Capital Projects Fund.  So again, this has been something that I've struggled with 
explaining and I've kind of had to take my lumps on, but every government does this a 
little differently.  But the way we do it is pretty consistent with what I've seen in my 
auditing experience.  We budget for our capital improvement plan for all the 
expenditures out of the Capital Projects Fund, but we earmark certain funds to actually 
pay for the expenditures.  So we're basically reimbursing the fund.   
So when you see that $10 million of budget in the Capital Projects Fund, say we only 
have $9 million in that fund.  How does that work?  What you really need to consider is 
in that pie chart to the right of your screen, which is where the funds are being 
earmarked to be spent from.  So we have 9.3 million of budgeted expenditures for 
capital projects specifically.  We have another 700,000 of contingency in case it is 
needed.  Out of that 9.3 million of expenditures, about 4.8 million of that is earmarked 
to come out of the Capital Projects Fund.  So we have 9 million; we're earmarking to 
spend about 4.8 million.  We're going to have more than 9 million, because once we 
have our excess reserves at the end of the year, we'll transfer some more money.  We 
might have 10, 10.5 million, something like that.  So very sustainable.  We have -- we're 
in good shape from a capital improvement plan standpoint.  Definitely no need to 
worry.  And there's no cause for concern at this point.   
Other funds we're earmarking, development impact fees funds and the parks impact 
fees.  Projected grant revenues directly in this fund. 
Facilities Reserve Fund, that's what I pointed out before.  We are earmarking $1 million 
out of the lake liner savings to be spent for the design of the lake liner replacement.  
Another $400 from that fund, but from the separate kind of sub bucket of nonlake liner 
savings for that.  There's an air handler project for upgrading the town hall campus -- 
well, actually the community center library, that area.   
So these are the different funds.  The only point I'm trying to make is we're not spending 
this all from the Capital Projects Fund.  We're using the available funds and resources 
we have to fulfill this plan.  And also, this budget of 10 million is a decrease from last 
year -- or fiscal year '26 at 12.7 million.  So we are decreasing our plans for capital

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projects for the coming year.   
We already had a long work session on CIPs.  So our understanding from that is all the 
projects presented were considered green light projects, which has helped us streamline 
things.  It just means that they're fully authorized by Council.  As long as the scope and 
the price doesn't increase substantially, we can go out and do our bidding process, get 
contracts and get going.  I know Rachael's mentioned this has really helped us because 
we have July and August to work on capital projects, whereas before we were waiting 
until September or October to even start most of them.   
The only thing that we felt was pretty contingent would be the first one for Sierra Madre 
Park.  If the Council does approve that rezone, that's something we'll include in the 
budget.  If the Council does not approve that rezone of the nearby properties by Aspen, 
then we would reconsider those options for that.   
So this is everything in Community Services.  And this is everything in Public Works.  And 
so we'll consider all those to be green light projects going into next fiscal year.  
Questions?  
WATTS:  Paul, can you give me the definition of "substantially"?  
SOLDINGER:  Yes.  Actually, our policy -- substantially is the word I use, and it's probably 
misleading.  Our policy only allows us to approve change.  Town attorney and I've talked 
about this like 25 times, so.  Our policy -- our town code and policy only allows us to 
approve change orders that are either the lesser of 50,000 or ten percent of the project 
costs.  So 50,000 is the max that we can approve in a change order to.  But if it's a 
smaller project, like 100,000, the max we could do as staff is 10,000.  
WATTS:  So the $600,000 project, you can go $60,000 above that? 
SOLDINGER:  50,000.   
WATTS:  50 is the max you can go above that?    
SOLDINGER:  50 is the max. 
WATTS:  Whatever that percentage ends up being.   
SOLDINGER:  Yes.   
WATTS:  Thanks.

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SOLDINGER:  So substantial is probably a little bit misleading.  So thank you for the 
clarification.   
Okay.  Facilities Reserve Fund.  This is the operational budget, not from the lake --  
MCMAHON:  I have a question.  
SOLDINGER:  Oh, yes.  
MCMAHON:  I did put on the light.   
I have a question.  Are we going to be talking about these projects individually, or are 
we just going over the summary right now?  
SOLDINGER:  So Mayor, Councilwoman, we talked about each one individually at the CIP 
work session a few weeks ago.  So today we're not planning on it, but we can.  We'd be 
happy to have any conversations or answer any questions that you have.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  No, I won't bring it up now because this is budget.  Thanks.  
SOLDINGER:  Okay.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman McMahon, when you need to be asking a question, 
please hit the left button so I --  
MCMAHON:  I did. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  -- so the Mayor can acknowledge you.  Thank you.  
MCMAHON:  I followed your instructions.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  That's good.  Thank you.   
Go ahead, Paul.  
SOLDINGER:  Okay.  Facilities Reserve Fund.  In our operational budget, we decreased 
the budget down to 600,000.  The only reason is we wanted that million dollars total 
budget.  We already have 400,000 earmarked through our capital improvement plan.  
So the 600,000 is in the budget for next year operationally.  And I will say this is 
actually -- the increase in the budget for this year that council approved has been very 
helpful.  We've been able to get a lot of things done.  I'm having a hard time thinking of 
examples, but we've done a lot around the Town as far as replacing things, fixing things.  
And it's really been a good resource for staff.  So we really do appreciate that you 
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Special Revenue Fund.  I kind of explained this already, but we do budget for a couple 
specific things, like the RideChoice program and opioid settlement payments.  Those are 
restricted type of revenues that can only be spent on specific things out of this fund.  
We also have 1.5 million, which is basically contingency in case we get grants.  If we get 
a grant, we -- and if we do the bike park next year, we would spend the budget at 1.5 
million to do it.  So this has just been our practice and this is what we have in the 
budget.   
Again, sorry for a very busy slide, but this does give you an idea of when you see a man 
up here asking for supplements or talking about programs, this is where they're being 
paid from.  So it's broken down by funds.  The top section is for the Downtown Strategy 
Fund.  We are budgeting more in the Downtown Strategy Fund with the supplements 
being added.  So 240,000, compared to about 140,000 or so of projected revenues.  We 
are budgeting to spend more than we're bringing in.  But we do have over $700,000 
saved up.  So we felt comfortable with that.  And they're for very specific things, such as 
the performance pad. 
Economic Development Fund.  One of the line items went up quite a bit, but that's just a 
matter of Amanda moving around her budget a little bit, but not too many changes.  I 
think the key point is below.  The total budget for Amanda's programs is going up by 
two percent, total up to $989,000.   
Okay.  This is really the home stretch.  So I was a little ahead of myself.  We have 10 
other -- we have 11 other funds.  We're -- you'll hear about this soon, but we are hoping 
to close down the Eagle Mountain Community Facilities District by June of this year.  So 
we'll be bringing that to the Board and the Council here soon.  So there's no budget in 
that fund.  So there's ten other funds we have budgets in.  We consider these nonmajor 
or minor funds in the budget, but to present them to you in case you have any 
questions, here they are on the screen.  Public Art.  Court Enhancement Fund, we've 
already talked about.  Cottonwoods, which is the separate maintenance district that 
you're all -- that you also serve on the board as.   
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The only thing I feel like that really needs to be explained is we brought the $390,000 of 
budget carried over to next year, because we haven't received the brush truck yet for 
the fire department.  I've learned it takes a long time to get fire department vehicles.  So 
we're thinking July or August.  So we carried that 390 over and we added the three 
vehicle truck replacements into the budget.   
So with that, that's it.  Really looking for any other feedback you have or questions or 
discussion.  Because again, when we bring back the next budget, we really like to have 
everything for the most part wrapped up.  And that'll be the maximum amount that we 
can set as a Town for the budget for next fiscal year.  So now's the time for any other 
feedback or budget discussions.   
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   (Indiscernible)?   
SOLDINGER:  May -- is it Cinco de Mayo?  May 5th?  It's like the first slide.  I'm trying to 
get there.  May 5th.  
GOODWIN:  Yes, you're right.  So on May 5th, that is at a regular Council meeting.  So it 
is a regular agenda item.  And that's where we begin the formal adoption process.  
Okay.  Great.  
SOLDINGER:  Yeah.  All right.  Thank you.  Thank you for your time.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Well done.  Thank you.  
WATTS:  Move to adjourn.  
EARLE:  Second.

Having no further business, Mayor Gerry M. Friedel adjourned the Work Session 
of the Fountain Hills Town Council held on April 14, 2026, at 2:12 p.m. 
 
 
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