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TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS 
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING 
OF THE FOUNTAIN HILLS TOWN COUNCIL 
DECEMBER 2, 2025 
 
 
 
 
A Regular Meeting of the Fountain Hills Town Council was convened at 16705 E. 
Avenue of the Fountains in open and public session at 5:30 p.m. 
 
Members Present: Mayor Gerry M. Friedel; Vice Mayor Allen Skillicorn; 
Councilmember Gayle Earle; Councilmember Brenda J. Kalivianakis; 
Councilmember Rick Watts;  Councilmember Hannah Larrabee; Councilmember 
Peggy McMahon 
 
 
Staff Present: Town Manager Rachael Goodwin; Town Clerk Bevelyn Bender; 
Town Attorney Jennifer Wright

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MAYOR FRIEDEL:  I'd like to call this meeting to order.  And if you would please rise for 
the Pledge of Allegiance. 
MULTIPLE SPEAKERS:  I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and 
to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and 
justice for all.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  And if you choose, please remain standing.  The invocation will be 
given by Pastor Clayton Wilfer from Joy Church.  
WILFER:  Let's pray.  Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for this town and for all the 
blessings you have given us.  We pray for the leaders of this council, that they may be 
guided by your wisdom.  Grant them and all of us the desire and ability to follow your 
word, which says that we should be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger.  We 
pray that your grace, love, and peace be with all who have gathered here.  We pray all 
of this in the name of Jesus.  Amen.  
MULTIPLE SPEAKERS:  Amen. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Town clerk, can I have a roll call, please?  
BENDER:  Mayor Friedel? 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Present.  
BENDER:  Vice mayor Skillicorn? 
SKILLICORN:  Present. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Earle? 
EARLE:  Here.   
BENDER:  Councilmember Kalivianakis? 
KALIVIANAKIS:  Here.   
BENDER:  Councilmember Watts? 
WATTS:  Here. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Larrabee? 
LARRABEE:  Here.   
BENDER:  Councilmember McMahon?

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MCMAHON:  Here.   
BENDER:  Mayor, you have a quorum.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  And I believe everybody was given a statement of 
participation on their way into the meeting tonight, so please follow accordingly.  Town 
manager.  
GOODWIN:  Thank you, Mayor.  As we begin tonight's meeting, I'd like to take a moment 
to recognize a few of our wonderful community events from this past week and those 
that are on the horizon, coming this weekend.   
First, a big thank you to everyone who participated in our annual Turkey Trot.  We saw 
record breaking attendance this year, and it was a fantastic way to watch so many 
residents and families kick off the holiday family weekend together.  And a special nod, 
of course, to Mayor Friedel for lacing up his sneakers and joining us for the run this year.  
Thank you for representing the town so well.   
Following the run, our annual parade brought many -- even more energy and 
excitement to the downtown.  It was great to see many community groups, families, 
and spectators turn out to celebrate.   
We also hosted our sold-out breakfast with Santa, which brought a lot of joy to our 
youngest residents here in Fountain Hills.  Our sensitive Santa saw a significant increase 
in attendance, providing a calmer, more comfortable experience for those who benefit 
from a quieter setting.   
We're grateful to everyone who helped make these events welcoming and accessible to 
all.   
Looking ahead, we don't stop there -- Thanksgiving weekend is not just -- is just the 
start.  Looking ahead, we invite the community to join us this weekend for the stroll in 
the glow along the Avenue.  It's a wonderful way to celebrate the season, enjoy the 
lights, and spend time with friends and neighbors.  We hope to see you there.   
Speaking of lights, we often get asked where to find the best holiday displays in town.  
And we have the perfect answer.  Residents are invited to help light up the town by 
entering their homes in our annual Light Up the Town holiday tour.  The deadline to

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enter is Wednesday, December 10th and once registered, participants decorate their 
homes and we put together an interactive map that folks can download and it will guide 
them throughout the town to all participating homes, and it will be available on 
Monday, December 15th and the tour will run through December 31st.  You can vote for 
your favorite houses, your favorite -- favorite décor, prizes will be distributed.  It's a 
great way to sort of celebrate the season on your own time and enjoy a dazzling, self-
guided tour around Fountain Hills.   
With that mayor, those are my updates.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  As you can see, we've been very busy.  So right now I'd 
like to do a special recognition.  I have a citizenship award that I want to bestow upon 
Bob Burns.  Bob has been a reporter, local reporter here in town for 38 years, I believe.  
Is that right, Bob?   
BURNS:  37. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  37.  Okay.  I gave you an extra year's credit, so we'll knock that out of 
your pension.  I'm just kidding.  Bob, for your consistent reporting, thoughtful coverage, 
and unwavering dedication to keeping the residents of Fountain Hills informed, your 
presence at the town council meetings and your passion for local journalism having left 
a lasting impact on our community, thank you for your years of service and 
congratulations on your retirement.  And with that, we have a special little -- we're 
going to take a couple minute recess because we brought some cupcakes in honor of 
your retirement.  If you'll come up and accept this award and then maybe say a few 
words, that would be great.  
BURNS:  My voice isn't very good tonight, so I'll just say that I had most of what I said 
and said it in print this week, and I appreciate the recognition and thank you very much.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Hey, Brent, do you and Ryan want to get a picture with Bob?  Why 
don't you and Ryan come up and get a picture with Bob?  And then you can roll the 
cupcakes out.  If everybody wants to take a minute and get a cupcake, that would be 
great.  
We'll take a little pause for cupcakes.  I'm sorry.  They're out in the lobby.  Thank you.

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(PAUSE) 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you again, Bob, for your years of service.  And now we're going 
to start with our presentations.  Town manager? 
GOODWIN:  All right.  Thank you, Mayor.  Our first presentation tonight is from the 
Fountain Hills Sister Cities Corporation.  Christine, I think you're going to be giving an 
update to our mayor and council, is that right?  Do you have a PowerPoint or anything?  
Okay.  Great.  Justin, would you mind helping her if she needs any technical support up 
there?  
Mayor and council.  This is Christine Cawley (ph.).  Many of you know her and a lot of 
different capacities, but she is also part of our Sister Cities program here in Fountain 
Hills and leads the way in a number of our other initiatives.  
All right.  Christine, I'll turn it over to you.  
CAWLEY:  Thank you.  Good evening, Mayor, City Council, and Rachael.  If I may, if we 
were in Dierdorf, our German sister city, you would be greeted.  [Speaking German].  I'm 
Christine Cawley.  I'm a 30-year resident of Fountain Hills.  We made our home here in 
1995 and I've never looked back.  So I'm here today to tell you a little bit about Sister 
Cities that was founded in 2000.  And I'm often asked, what is a sister city?  So let me 
tell you.  It's basically a relationship that is formed between two municipalities.  It 
happens after visitors have identified a desire to partner with a city in a foreign country.  
Visits are made and exchanged, and then the community decides that this relationship is 
a positive go forward, and the relationship is cemented with the signature by the 
highest elected officials of the communities.   
We are in good company in this country.  Sister Cities International fosters 500 
nationwide chapters, with 2100 sister city partners in 145 countries.  Arizona alone has 
13 sister city chapters with 58 international sister cities.   
Who we are.  Fountain Hills Sister Cities is a nonprofit organization managed all by 
volunteers.  We provide opportunities for all people in our area to develop and 
participate in international relationships.  We are volunteers, as I said; we're passionate 
about working with sister cities -- across the world.  We seek to promote peace, hope,

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harmony, and deeply human connections through international citizen diplomacy.  As 
part of this vision, we identify partnerships with cities that are like us and like us means 
we agree on concepts.  We like each other.  We like our culture.  Our sister cities vary 
greatly, so it's not a sister city that is the same size, the same location, the same -- 
Dierdorf, for example, is a town of 6,000 people.  So is Ataco and Zamosc is 30,000, but 
we found connections in those cities that made the relationships initiate and grow.   
Why we do it.  We are a passionate group of people that really enjoy to work in 
different cultures and maintain and grow those relationships in those cultures --.  We 
fulfill the original concept of the Sister Cities movement started in 1956 by President 
Eisenhower, whose mission was to reunite -- a fractured, post-World War world, one 
community at a time, people-to-people style.   
Here are our sister cities.  Ataco, El Salvador that originated with Enrique Meléndez, 
who is from El Salvador, and he is the honorary Consul emeritus at the time.  And this 
happened in November 2007.  And Wally Nichols (ph.) went with Enrique to Ataco.  And 
I believe they turned on the lights in Ataco for the first time when they visited there. 
Mayor Linda Kavanagh was in charge in June of 2014 when Elizabeth and Bogomil 
Horsham (ph.) -- Elizabeth is here and Elizabeth was born in Zamosc.  And that's how 
that relationship was established.  And so they went to Zamosc at the time and to sign 
the agreement.   
Dierdorf, Germany came on board in 2005, also with Mayor Wally Nichols, and we had a 
long relationship in the high school with Dierdorf already, because they were doing 
student exchanges with as many as 36 kids at one time when I moved here and learned 
about that.  So it was easy to -- identify that as a proper sister city.  And I'm from 
Germany, so I manage that relationship with pleasure.  Excuse me.  So what have we 
been doing?  We celebrate five, 25 years with our first exchange to Dierdorf, and we 
take high school students between Dierdorf and Fountain Hills and Zamosc and Fountain 
Hills and these kids come back with life-changing experiences.  The last time Polish 
students were here, and I was at the bus when they departed, and the one boy said to 
his father, you know, I always wanted a brother, and now I have one.  So it's

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heartbreaking the relationship these kids establish.  We do some humanitarian efforts 
and Ataco suffers from floods from bad weather there.  And so we support them in a 
way by providing food packages.  We had at one time, 45 -- 40 Fountain Hills students 
that traveled to Ataco to rebuild the homes.  It was a really wonderful experience for 
these students to experience Ataco.   
And then we supported Zamosc for the Ukraine refugees that they took in at the time.  
We do international cultural events.  Like I said, we're passionate about the 
international aspect.  We do Oktoberfest.  I hope all of you attended it this year.  The 
Polish have a great Polish festival with 10,000 attendees.  We did the Oktoberfest, the 
October Heritage Month, which is October for Hispanic Poland and Germany.   
Managing these sister cities' relationships fosters tourism for Fountain Hills.  Of course, 
the word gets out how beautiful Fountain Hills is and that drives more -- visitors to see 
what it's -- like here.  Many European visitors are here because they'll stop by on the 
way to the Grand Canyon.   
Our website, one, the number two in the State, which is a real accomplishment because 
we have so many -- others.  And also we won two awards as the -- best Fountain Hills, 
the best sister cities in 2009 and 2012.  And that was granted by Sister Cities 
International for population under 25,000.   
Passion among our board members.  The lives we touch worldwide, as I mentioned, and 
the memories we share have a lifelong impact.  The involvement of our ambassador 
hope for the better future is an investment in our youth.  We reach out to them.  We 
offer scholarships, sponsorships to international youth leadership summits.  This is a 
very exclusive summit, and we will be sending our third member this spring.  And the 
two that have been have embarked on a successful career as a result of having been 
there; and in our funding resources, our membership we are a recipient of the 
professional services agreement with the town, and we thank you for that.  We do event 
sponsorships to earn funds and we sell event tickets.   
A hunt is on for our next sister city.  We have targeted Italy and that is quite active, but 
it is a long process in finding a right partnership in that area.  But we will keep you

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informed.  Any questions?  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  
CAWLEY:  Thank you for the opportunity.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Rachael, our next presentation? 
GOODWIN:  Yes.  Our next presentation is from our MCSO captain, Captain Thomas, 
giving us, sharing with us his quarterly update.  
THOMAS:  I might need some technical support.  I'm not seeing it on here.  Yes.  
Right here.  This one.  Thank you.  All right.  Mayor, town manager, council,  I appreciate 
the chance to come up and speak in front of you guys, because every time I'm coming 
up here, I'm speaking on behalf of the men and women that wear this uniform and go 
out there and perform the public service to the community of Fountain Hills on a daily 
basis.  And -- and they really do an exceptional job.  I have a couple of those members, 
Tanner (ph.) and Justin (ph.), back there that are working with me today that are 
instrumental in a lot of the things that I do get to come up here and brag about.   
Before I get into that, I just wanted to go off topic real quickly and just say that when I 
first came to Fountain Hills and the commander position, I was introduced to Bob Burns, 
and he was just such a pleasant person to deal with, talk to.  He provided me some 
background information on the town, how it operates, and the people that are involved 
and -- about what I would experience stepping into this role.  And he was just such a 
genuine and good person.  And in many people's lives and careers, they're really lucky if 
they ever make it 20 years to finish off a career for -- so 37 is amazing and I for one, 
appreciate your time, Bob, and your -- help that you gave me.  So thank you.   
I'm going to be brief with this one.  I think I spoke previously about a three-year 
comparative that I'm working on, which I plan on delivering the next quarterly MCSO 
briefing to you guys.  So I have analysts putting that together.  And if you guys 
remember the one from '22 and '23, it basically took Glendale, Scottsdale, Fountain Hills 
and did a comparison on what they see from a public safety standpoint and where -- 
those similarities and differences really shined a light on how safe this community is.  
And so I'm doing a new one since it's been enough time to put a three-year comparative

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down.  So -- that'll be coming. 
In the interim here for this quarterly update, I just wanted to point out a couple of data 
points that kind of show where we're at.  So the chart that we have up here is one of 
our information systems.  And one of the things I'll say as we look at these numbers is to 
understand that sometimes the boundaries around Fountain Hills get a little bit blurry 
with our CAD system and everything.  So sometimes these numbers might reflect stuff 
that's technically outside of the city limits of Fountain Hills.   
This is basically a breakdown of our calls for service, our top 20 radio codes, and what -- 
we -- these -- men and women that go out there and patrol the streets daily, what they 
are dealing with. 
As you can see here if you look at that far right category, those are the ones that really 
produce reports.  And -- -- really go to our summaries that we put out on what the 
newspaper puts out, what we see trend-wise.  The big point on that, I would just say is 
you'll see the top ones are vehicle crashes, some criminal damage, some assaults, 
whether that's mutual fights and stuff like that.  And those numbers are not big at all.  
But in the middle description, you'll see the radio code descriptions and that middle 
one, it'll start off with vacation patrol watch.  But that community policing one is what I 
want to focus in on for a minute there, because that's showing a significant increase 
over past quarters because we partnered with the mayor on his visibility initiative, on 
getting our people out there in the community with the businesses, listening to what 
the concerns are and how we can intervene and hopefully solve some of these quality of 
life problems, as long -- as well as the public safety stuff we deal with on a regular basis.  
And that's a few sections down from that community policing area.  You'll see the follow 
up.  And to me, as the commander of the division, that tells me that these guys are 
actually going out there after the fact, after these things happen, and taking second and 
third looks, trying to resolve issues.   
Just because it was interesting, I put up here this bar graph that shows where our calls 
for service events really fall upon.  And I thought it was interesting that, you know, 
Friday, Saturday, and Sunday as you see down here, we don't have near as many

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incidents as we do Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.  I don't understand why the 
middle of the week is -- the busiest.  And this next infographic, it's going to be just more 
of me showing some of the feedback we get from the community on whether it's 
speeding issues, red light runners --, just basically wanting patrol in some certain areas 
to help resolve those issues.  It's the warnings and citations.  What you see there is them 
going out and using both education and enforcement as tools to help drive those things 
to improve.   
Now this is -- you've heard me talk about Squad 5 before, and this goes back to when I 
first came into Fountain Hills working with the mayor on the visibility initiative, getting 
that more community-focused approach to our patrol deputies.  Since that's happened 
and -- you can see here, Lieutenant Jerry Vance is the commander that we put over that 
unit to kind of help drive the direction, set the standard, and make sure we're -- 
following through with what we need.  You'll see a 20 percent increase in our calls for 
service from last quarter that Squad 5 dealt with, who were mainly focused on 
community-oriented policing issues.   
And that second section that says 20 percent increase in on view traffic is what that 
means.  That means these guys are out there and gals are out there looking around, 
driving the neighborhoods, checking the businesses, interacting with people, looking for 
ways to be resources for the community, as well as be a deterrent to crime, both 
visually and with their investigation and follow-up actions.  And the 20 or the 277 
percent community policing actions, so that's basically all of our things we check out on 
whether we're meeting with the -- corporation commission meetings, whether we go to 
something like Toastmasters and sit in and talk to people, or going to door to door to 
some of these strip mall areas that have businesses and -- updating trespass orders or 
getting feedback for issues that they're -- -- experiencing.  That's what that -- increase 
really represents is those guys taking a proactive approach and diving in and getting into 
the community.   
And the important part on this, I won't go into much on this, but if you guys can see my 
cursor, I'm sorry that the definition is not that great, but we did a third quarter 2024 to a

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third quarter 2025 comparison.  And what you'll see here is in 2024, this total calls for 
service for this -- unit -- for this time frame moved up drastically.  So that's if you can't 
see it, that's 16,000 over here.  And this is 6,300 over here.  Over the difference of one 
year by taking your initiative and our drive for that community engagement and really 
making it the core of what these guys are going out and doing, and they take the reins 
and they just take off with it and get that -- engagement.  And what I'm seeing on the 
back end is a lot of follow up from business owners and community coming up and 
telling me about their interactions with these guys and -- addressing these problems.   
As we're coming up on the holidays, I'll leave with this.  The e-bikes, electric scooters 
and stuff like that are still just like in previous years, a big present item.  MCSO through 
our school resource officer and the Fountain Hills School District have partnered up and 
put out information to educate at the school level and ultimately in the community 
the -- information needed for e-bikes.  And we'll we got pamphlets like this out at our 
lobby.  We're sharing them with the school, and our deputies will have them too.  So if 
they have the chance to have these conversations out there just in the public, they'll do 
it.  But the big thing on this is that hopefully parents, through this -- what the school is 
implementing and through dealing with us, they can understand there's a difference in 
these e-bikes because there's classifications and something that you think is a little 
motor to help somebody get -- around is much different than what we're seeing out 
there and what's becoming a problematic safety wise and just quality of life, you know, 
neighborhood issues wise.  Because you got a lot of people that don't understand that 
you need to be 16, have a driver's license for a lot of these, depending on the class.  
And -- the parents may unwittingly be setting their kids up for issues legally by getting 
out there on the road with the vehicle that they're probably not handling able to handle 
and not legally allowed to.  So with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilperson? 
KALIVIANAKIS:  Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  Yeah.  I just want to tell you, I think we all feel in 
our community safe and taken care of because of MCSO under your leadership, and we 
appreciate it.  Doing a -- just a great job.  And I think everybody in this room can come to

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an agreement on that.  The one thing we did have somebody brandish a weapon at the 
Skybox the other day and is there any resolution?  Was there an apprehension of the 
perpetrator perhaps?  
THOMAS:  Yes, ma'am.  Yes, ma'am.  An arrest was made.   
KALIVIANAKIS:  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Captain, I'll just make a comment.  Your community policing efforts 
are really taking root in the town, and I hear a lot of positive things about it.  And then 
to see the data backing it up.  So that's a huge improvement from where we were.  So 
we really appreciate that in the town.  I know a lot of residents do as well.  And -- so do 
the commercial businesses as well.  So thank you for your efforts on that.  
THOMAS:  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  Rachael, before we call up the next speaker, I just want to 
make a comment about these -- different presentations.  Christine Cawley gave us a 
presentation on sister cities.  It's important to know what they do, why they do it, how 
they do it.  We don't see them on a regular basis.  So that's why it's important for you to 
come in.  And we appreciate your time doing that.  So thank you for that.  And the same 
with the captain.  We don't see you.  But you know, we hear about it once a quarter or 
what's in the paper.  But again, to see those facts and figures behind what you're doing 
is really a stark improvement.  So we appreciate that.  Thank you both.  And with that, 
we'll have our next presentation.  Rachael? 
GOODWIN:  Yes, thank you, mayor.  And you make a good point.  This is a chance for 
you guys to sort of have a little bit more hands-on conversation because, again, a lot of 
this gets passed on either through reports or updates from me or you know, updates 
through the media or whatnot.  So this -- is a chance for you to kind of have that 
interaction.  Speaking of the next couple of updates -- the next two presentations are 
updates regarding our capital improvement projects.  Again, these are projects that 
were talked about and discussed and approved as part of our budget.  We are about 
halfway through our budget year, not quite.  So both Kevin and Justin will be giving 
updates as to where we're at with the variety of projects.  So with that, I'll turn it over to

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you, Director Snipes.  
SNIPES:  Thank you.  Mayor, Council, as Rachael was saying, we are about halfway 
through our year, so we'll get started with showing you where we're at so far.  The first 
project here is the Golden Eagle playground replacement, which is just the areas that 
are underneath the shade canopy.  And this is a continuation, kind of, of the original 
replacement that we did.  We didn't have the funding to do the entire park when we did 
it originally.  And so this year we were able to get that finished up and it came out really 
nice.  Added a lot of new features over there for our kids to be able to use, and it has 
been actively being used since we completed it about a few months ago.  So it's going 
really well.   
Our next one here is our Avenue Linear Park improvements.  This is year two of three.  
We got completed the shade installation, which has been being used heavily during our 
farmers' market, especially, and throughout the week for people to find some shade and 
picnic tables to be able to sit at and enjoy lunch or dinner out on the Avenue.  We also 
were able to get the rest of the event receptacles installed.  They went for their first test 
drive here with our fair that we had here a couple weeks ago, and we had zero issues for 
the first time since I've been here.  I got zero calls about needing to come out, not 
having power or having this issue or that issue.  I call that a success.  I don't care how 
you look at it, that -- was great for us.  And they look really good.  We've gotten lots of 
compliments on how they -- look, as well as how they function.  So that was -- a project 
that I think was far overdue to make the Avenue look better.   
Our next here is we're just completing design work on Pleasantville Park.  We do have 
the designs completed.  I just put a couple of images in here so you can kind of see the -- 
general look and layout of the park.  There will be -- we were really cautious about 
headlights on this project because we're wanting it to be able to be a stargazing park.  
And so we just got these back about a week ago.  We're still going through this set to do 
our final impressions on it, and then we'll be ready to move forward on this one.   
Here's kind of an image of that center area where we're setting up to be our darkest 
location out there, where we'll be able to do some stargazing within this -- the big

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center circle -- circular area.  And we'll be moving forward on this as soon as we get 
done going through our side of the plans and getting back to make sure that we're all 
good before we put it out to bid.  
GOODWIN:  Kevin, can I interject? I wanted to say that I know you've been working with 
representatives from the Dark Sky, including Vicki (ph.) and Ted (ph.), I think -- 
SNIPES:  Uh-huh. 
GOODWIN:  -- and I know that that has been obviously, we wanted to make sure that 
this park functioned the way we envisioned it and having their help and their 
partnership has been a big part of that.  So thank you for taking that time to -- do that 
and work through that with them.  
SNIPES:  Yeah, we -- we've certainly we started out early with it.  I have not had a chance 
to go over this final set with them, but they've been actively involved along the way of 
the design of the park.   
Here's our community center fans and lighting that we did this year.  This was part of a 
bigger project that started last year.  Off to the left there you can see the old lights.  
They weren't in the greatest of shape, to say the least.  They definitely needed to be 
updated.  And the new lights and the fans and the blinds and the dividers have made a 
huge difference in the functionality of the community center.  Over the summer, I got 
zero complaints about a hot lobby.  That's the first time that's happened.  The motorized 
blinds did a great job in helping that out.  And the fans just moving the air around in the 
room has made it so we have so much more control of that area.  And so I know that all 
of our staff and our users are thankful for that.  So thank you guys for -- being 
supportive of that project.  
GOODWIN:  Kevin, I'm going to jump in there.  And unless you saw the update that we 
just got a few minutes ago to about that part of this project, one of the highlights, and 
this was not necessarily the intention, but it's been a great additional, is that by doing 
these upgrades, we were able to qualify for a rebate through SRP.  
SNIPES:  I didn't see it came in.  
GOODWIN:  Yes.  No.

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SNIPES:  It's hot off the press.  
GOODWIN:  It is hot off the presses.  It is an update, but it's just a bit over 100,000 that 
we'll be doing, getting a rebate back for.  So this is a smart investment on many levels. 
SNIPES:  We're -- 
GOODWIN:  So thanks to Paul and the finance team for helping get that done too.  
SNIPES:  Yes, Paul has been working on that for the last month and a half or so.  We've 
been sharing information and trying to figure out where we can get rebates.  And so this 
number now is going to be further under budget.  So let's call that a win.  We had to 
work really hard to -- keep this within budget and we had some -- great support from 
our vendors and our electricians that did the installs for us as well as we had a lot of 
help from our staff from the public works side that came over and helped us out with 
getting power where we needed it and doing the things that we could in-house to help 
make this a project that was a win-win for everyone.  So that's great news.  Thanks, 
Rach, for sharing that.   
These are the projects that we're still working on.  For the splash pad, shade lighting.  
We -- met with vendors last week and started talking about best ways to light and our 
electricians.  So -- we're working on best type of lighting to use over there.  We did the 
same thing with the Centennial pavilion shade lighting.  We're pretty close to being 
ready to -- place the order for the lights over there.  And again, it's one that we're 
extremely cautious of The Discovery Center being right next door.  I'm hoping that 
within this budget, I can expand it out to redo the shoe box lighting that are around the 
edges as well.  I'm waiting on a quote to come back from that right now, where they can 
just do a retrofit for the lights that are out there.  We've been working with a company 
that does a lot of retrofitting, and I've been really impressed with the quality of lights 
and their willingness to come out and take a look at -- even our bollard lights around the 
fountain.  We have one out there right now that we're testing, and so far it's --working 
very well, and we think it's going to be a really good solution to, moving forward, to help 
make that more Dark Sky compliant than -- what it was when they were originally 
installed.  And we have had our Dark Sky group went out and did some light testing on

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it, and the light test came back really positive.  So they were very happy about it as well.  
So you'll hear more about that as we move through budget season.   
The Desert Vista dog park.  We're still in process of -- getting things scheduled to -- to 
come in and make some improvements in there.  Same with our -- two pump houses.  
We haven't met with anyone yet.  Go ahead.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Can I ask you a quick question on Desert Vista? 
SNIPES:  Uh-huh. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  We've gotten a lot -- some questions on the dog park.  When do you 
expect that to start?  Do you have any idea?  
SNIPES:  So we've been going through a lot of staffing issues here in the past, so it 
certainly put us behind where we want to be at this time.  But that's something that 
we'll will be starting on in short order at the first of the year.   
And the final is the Fountain Park remodel replacements.  We've been talking to some 
shade vendors and some demo vendors to where that we can work on getting three of 
these done this year.  And that's something that will be coming down the pike as well.  
With that, I'll take any questions.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Earle?  
EARLE:  Thank you, Gerry -- Mayor.  Sorry.  You might not know the answer to this, but 
how many shade structures do we have now?  
SNIPES:  What?  
EARLE:  How many shades -- 
SNIPES:  We have a whole lot of different types. 
EARLE:  Okay. 
SNIPES:  So I don't know exactly what you're.   
EARLE:  Well, I guess my -- 
SNIPES:  As far as ramadas or cloth type shade or metal or -- 
EARLE:  The canvas shade structures.  Do we have a lot of those?   
SNIPES:  We have -- 
EARLE:  Okay.  So you don't I guess the number doesn't matter that much.  But my

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question is what is the life expectancy of them?  And are we setting aside money for 
replacement because hopefully they don't all come due at the same time?  
SNIPES:  Yep.  So it's certainly something that we were cautious of even when we were 
building it.  There's a substantial cost in the structure itself and a very small amount that 
goes to the actual -- 
EARLE:  Just the canvas. 
SNIPES:  -- canvas.  They're -- warranted for twelve years.  So we get a long life 
expectancy out of them when you figure that the let's go the other way and go with the 
ramada structures that were installed at Fountain Park in 2002 are completely rotted 
out, and we're replacing those.  And those are probably two to three times more the 
cost.  So you know, the -- cost of the cover isn't nearly what the cost of the structure is.  
And so it's -- and I did look at that early on.  I can't remember off the top of my head -- 
EARLE:  Okay. 
SNIPES:  -- but it's a few thousand versus 100,000.  
EARLE:  Are those ramadas that you're redoing you're not going to do those into the 
canvas shade structures, are you? 
SNIPES:  No, they're still going to be (indiscernible)   
EARLE:  And then congratulations on the SRP rebate. 
SNIPES:  Thanks. 
EARLE:  And I also want to say the community center is so beautiful.  
SNIPES:  Thank you. 
EARLE:  I like the changes and updates that you made to it.  And it looks really festive 
right now and it's really nice.  Thank you.  
SNIPES:  Really appreciate it.  We had a lot of -- a lot of staff involved in that one, 
including our community center staff and our -- building facility guys, and making sure 
that both the maintenance and the -- -- look was right.  And I think it came out really 
good.  So thank you.  I'm really, really glad that that's the case.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilman Watts. 
WATTS:  A couple of easy ones, Kevin.  They're always easy.

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SNIPES:  Right. 
WATTS:  The Pleasantville, which I still think we ought to have kind of a naming contest 
for Pleasantville.  It reminds me of Jim Carrey movies.  
SNIPES:  Yeah, we still can.  
WATTS:  So just saying.  
SNIPES:  It's just what's on the docket.   
WATTS:  I got it.  So no wayfinding signs with that name on it yet? 
SNIPES:  Right. 
WATTS:  That's -- that's good.  Okay.  So I noticed that that roofing structure wasn't -- a 
canvas structure like some of the other ones in town.  Did you intentionally match it to 
the Dark Sky Discovery Center so there would be some consistency?  It sure looks like it 
was.  
SNIPES:  Yes, then, absolutely.  That's exactly what we did.  No, we didn't. 
WATTS:  Wow.  How astute. 
SNIPES:  No, it was -- just part of the design as we started walking our way through it.  
And I wanted it to be rustic, because that's kind of the theme that is in most of our parks 
where like Fountain Park, it's -- it has -- a classier feel to it than -- than your colorful, 
bright shade structures would whether that was metal or canvas.  But that was the main 
reason why, was to just have it have a rustic look that we have a lot around town.  
WATTS:  Coincidentally, it really looks nice and it kind of directs you to the Dark Sky 
Discovery Center.  The savings that we derived from the Salt River participation -- are 
the movable walls retrofittable to mobilize them?  I know we made them manual to 
begin with. 
SNIPES:  Uh-huh. 
WATTS:  Is there any logic to looking at the labor costs versus the amount of money that 
we got back?  Not that I'm -- not that I'm anxious to spend all of it, but if we gained our 
labor costs back in two or three years, it might be worth looking into.  
SNIPES:  Yeah.  Once we -- looked into the motorization factor, we were going to lose 
several feet into our hallway and several feet out onto the back patio, which would have

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been a huge cost to that that wasn't recognized by the vendor when we first started 
looking into it.  So doing it would -- not be nearly as cheap as what we were originally 
thinking.  And even that was 100,000, I think, more or something like that.  So I don't 
think it would be practical for us to go that route.  
WATTS:  Right.  Thanks.  
SNIPES:  Uh-huh. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  Good information.  
SNIPES:  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Rachael, we have one more.  
GOODWIN:  We have one more on the same topic.  CIP updates.  These are more 
related to our public works programs around town.  Director Weldy is going to walk us 
through where we're at with our -- this year's projects.  Justin, you were my technical 
support.  If you need help, I don't know.  
WELDY:  Thank you for providing a brief distraction.  Madam, Mayor and Council, this is 
an update to several of the projects that you are well aware of.  It's going to be brief 
here because there's --not much change since the last time we visited about these.   
The biggest change is going to be this first slide right here, the Shea Boulevard widening.  
This segment is eastbound between Palisades and Fountain Hills Boulevard.  We did 
open the bids on that.  They were substantially lower than the engineer's estimate.  
There's going to be some additional conversation about this tonight because it's an 
agenda item during the regular agenda.   
This is the Palomino Boulevard pavement reconstruction.  There was also a substantial 
decrease in the anticipated funding for this.  We had originally estimated that it would 
be close to $6 million, but as you can see, we're substantially below that at just over 3 
million for the pavement.  We will have additional information related to not only the 
Palomino project, but the Shea Project and their schedules in early 2026.   
This is a multiyear project for those of you that motor around the town or move about 
the town, regardless of your mode of transportation.  You know that public safety, not 
only does the mayor and council take it seriously, but so does the town manager and

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staff.  We have installed several marked crosswalks.  We have also included the 
associated ramps, and the safe havens in the middle of raised medians where 
appropriate and necessary.   
This is the one adjacent to the high school on Golden Eagle Boulevard that comes off of 
Brittlebush.   
These are some of the newer ones down on La Montana between Saguaro and 
Palisades.   
This is just an additional look at those from a different angle.   
This is the one closest to Saguaro, but this one also right here depicts some of our 
sidewalk gap elimination.  This is on La Montana North side.   
This is a section that we did where we had a little gap down on Hamilton.   
There has been no substantial movement in this project outside of paying for some 
funding for some minor work that was done on some guardrail in the beginning of this 
fiscal year.  We do anticipate, however, utilizing the balance of this funding to make the 
necessary improvements and repairs to a couple of sections on Palisades.   
Wayfinding, which is a multi-year, nearly a decade now, so we are in the final phase of 
this section, which is installing the signs.  We have discovered some challenges along the 
way.  In the coming council meetings, staff will be returning to this council to ask for 
some additional funding.  The funding that we will be asking for is unspent funding from 
last fiscal year.  While that doesn't make a difference because it wasn't budgeted in this 
year, it's a relatively small amount.  We'll have more about that in our ask to the council 
later on possibly in December, most likely in January.   
This is phase 2 of the Golden Eagle impoundment.  This phase primarily addresses the 
impoundment right in front of the face of the dam, and it also addresses the trash racks 
that prevent large debris from entering the dam and clogging it up and creating 
backflow onto the fields.  This is still being reviewed by ADEQ and the Maricopa County 
Flood Control District.  Their reviews oftentimes can take months.   
This is an update to a project that we shared with you earlier this fiscal year.  This is an 
area down on Wendover Court where we had a very narrow dirt channel that was

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overgrown with trees and shrubs, where we had water that overtopped the area and 
entered onto private property and into private homes.  This is an in-house design that 
was completed and built this year.  Fortunate for us, we were able to test some of these 
drainage structures recently thanks to Mother Nature.  I would like to note that this one 
here performed as designed, as did the Golden Eagle impoundment.  On a side note for 
this one, when the flow is relatively heavy, it sounds like a musical instrument.  Now, 
that wasn't intended, but as I listened to it there and I watched the video again, I ask 
others, does it sound like there's a musical instrument playing?  And they agreed.  So 
this -- one is a benefit.  We would like to thank you for this funding, not only for this 
project, but the other drainage projects.  Oftentimes, we have to wait a considerable 
amount of time to test them, and we've had that opportunity.   
This is the chiller replacement.  We've had numerous discussions about this over time, 
including an update reminding the council that the parts were stuck overseas and we 
were unable to complete it last year.  The majority of the mechanical and or some of the 
smaller pieces have been completed, but it's currently scheduled for next week for the 
lion's share of it to be done.  
This is the downtown streetscape.  This is concentrating on Verde River between 
Avenue of the Fountains and Palisades and Parkview between Saguaro and La Montana.  
The -- there was a presentation to the council late last month for the 15 percent design 
concept.  We have now moved on.  We've spent the grant funding and we are moving 
on to town funding.  We were engaging Kimley-Horn and Associates to continue to 
design this project.  Brief -- any questions related to any of those projects that I might be 
able to answer?  It's awfully quiet. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you for the update.  I just want to make a comment though 
about the chiller area.  Boy is that clean in there.  
WELDY:  Thank you for the compliment, sir.  I'll let the staff know.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Let them know.  Thank you.  Okay.  We'll move on to our consent 
agenda.  
LARRABEE:  Motion to approve consent agenda.

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EARLE:  Second.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  A motion and a second.  Can I get a roll call, please?  
BENDER:  Councilmember Earle? 
EARLE:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Larrabee? 
LARRABEE:  Aye.   
BENDER:  Councilmember McMahon? 
MCMAHON:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Kalivianakis?  
KALIVIANAKIS:  Aye.  
BENDER:  Councilmember Watts? 
WATTS:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Vice -- mayor Skillicorn? 
SKILLICORN:  Aye.  
BENDER:  And Mayor Friedel? 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Mayor, 7-0. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  We'll move on to our first regular agenda item, which is 
consideration for proceeding with the construction of Shea Boulevard widening project.  
Rachael? 
GOODWIN:  As Director Weldy just kind of gave you a preview, the Shea Boulevard 
project is moving forward slowly but surely.  They just opened bids a couple weeks ago 
to -- our delight and our excitement they came in below what we were expecting and 
we had a number of more bidders than we traditionally do on a project like this, so that 
was great to see as well.  But there are a couple of caveats that go along with this 
conversation.  I believe Director Weldy and our street superintendent Jeff Pierce are 
here tonight to kind of walk through next steps and seek your direction.   
All right.  This is our street superintendent, Jeff Pierce.  Jeff has not joined us before in 
the meetings, but he's going to be helping with these projects.  So he's going to give you

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a rundown of where we're at on Shea Boulevard.   
PIERCE:  Thank you.  
GOODWIN: Thanks, Jeff.  
PIERCE:  It's been quite some time.  I think the last time we're the only time was for the 
LED stop signs.  Thank you.  Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor and Councilmembers.  I 
stand here before you tonight looking for approval for proceeding with the construction 
of Shea Boulevard widening and the necessary budget transfers to go along with it.  The 
background on this looks like it's about $3 million was budgeted for the fiscal year '26 
budget for this project.   
This project, as shown on the slide earlier, takes place between eastbound Shea 
between Palisades Boulevard and Fountain Hills Boulevard.  In a partnership with MAG 
we went out for bids for this project.  We had several back, ranging from 3 million and 
change all the way up to $9 million.  A bid was selected.  Contractor was also selected as 
well.  Preliminary -- preliminary meetings have been held with that contractor basically 
talking about and discussing concerns involving traffic control.  That's about as far as 
we've gone with them bringing up issues and concerns with that.  Both the public works 
director and the town engineer were in that to discuss that.   
Moving forward with this project, we do have a shortfall of budget that we need to 
request to complete this phase 1 project.  It looks like in order to complete this with the 
bid that was submitted and some other constructional services roughly around 
$525,000 will be needed to complete this first phase of the project.   
We are looking tonight for the budget authority and transfer for this and the approval 
for this budget to start.  Once we start or get the approval for this, more meetings will 
be held with the selected contractor, further schedules and timelines will also be 
discussed at that time and brought forth to you as public works director stated in early 
2026.  Any questions?  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Earle? 
EARLE:  Thank you, Mayor.  My understanding is that later down the road we have in 
our packet here the proposition 479, we may be able to get reimbursement for the

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remainder of the -- our expense on this, is that correct?  
PIERCE:  Correct.  There was a letter attached to this staff report that was sent to Town 
Manager Goodwin, stating that MAG has reviewed that and there is a portion of that 
that will be able to be refunded.  The only caveat to that is that we won't be able to see 
that until about 2030.  
EARLE:  Not too far off.  Thank you.  
PIERCE:  Welcome.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilman Watts? 
WATTS:  Was -- the contractor that was awarded the successful -- bidder is it a local 
contractor or in state or out of state?  
PIERCE:  It's an in-state contractor.  
WATTS:  In-state contractor?   
PIERCE:  Yes, sir.   
WATTS:  And no adds or change orders anticipated at this point? 
PIERCE:  At this point, not to my knowledge, no.  
WATTS:  Thanks.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Vice Mayor? 
SKILLICORN:  Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  I'm going to be a broken record because I know 
Director Weldy knows this is I complain about this particular project is that this really 
isn't for Fountain Hills residents.  This is for people that live in the valley that since it's 
eastbound, basically, it's Friday mornings in the summertime when people are trying to 
get up north into the cooler weather.  And I've always thought it was not fair for 
Fountain Hills residents to have to pay for 30 percent of this.  So that's going to be why I 
do not support it.  And I also -- it concerns me about the $200,000 shortfall.  Again, this 
is valley residents that are taking really taking advantage of people of Fountain Hills.  So 
that's something that I just renew that objection.  And you know, again, it's also an 
opportunity and I know Director Weldy knows this, is that you know, there needs to be 
engineering solutions for the intersection of Shea Boulevard and Palisades.  And we -- 
we recently had a very serious accident there because of the -- because of the

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engineering problems with that intersection.  And I know that that is also on the future 
roadmap that's going to happen, but personally, I think that those engineering solutions 
should take priority than making it easier for valley residents to get to Payson.  Thanks.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilperson McMahon? 
MCMAHON:  Thank you very much for your presentation.  I appreciate it.  If you don't 
mind, I'm going to ask for clarification.   
PIERCE:  Yes, ma'am.   
MCMAHON:  It says down on page 2 that the shortfall is 197,491.67.  So right now, 
though, we're asking for 523, but MAG is going to be paying back the within like the 197 
amount? 
PIERCE:  Correct.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  So we're not -- so we're not spending -- it's just because right now, 
we need the money to start and do the project and due to the difference in the 
management of the new proposition and money there we have a shortfall.  However, 
that money is going to come back to us, all but 197,000? 
PIERCE:  Yeah -- 
MCMAHON:  Yes, no, maybe so? 
PIERCE:  Kind of.  Mayor and Council, basically MAG is going to cover 70 percent of it, 
but -- 
MCMAHON:  Right.  
PIERCE:  -- there's only a certain allocation available.  It's in your agenda item at 2.26 
million.   
MCMAHON:  Uh-huh. 
PIERCE:  So if there is a shortfall, there may be up to $200,000. 
MCMAHON:  Okay. 
PIERCE:  We have to cover that up front and they would reimburse us in 2030.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  Thank you very much.  I just wanted clarification.  
PIERCE:  And sorry -- 
MCMAHON:  That's okay.

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PIERCE:  -- our town share is mostly paid from impact fees.  We have about $1 million 
saved up of streets' impact fees, and most of the money that we're paying will be from 
impact fees (indiscernible)  
MCMAHON:  Right.  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Earle?  
EARLE:  I would like to move to approve --. 
MCMAHON:  Second. 
EARLE:  Oh, sorry. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Can I check for comment cards first? 
EARLE:  Yes.  Sorry. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Do we have any comment cards on this one?  
BENDER:  No, Mayor. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Okay.  Go ahead. 
EARLE:  Okay.  I'll go again.  I move to approve proceeding with construction of the 
current phase of the Shea Boulevard widening and necessary budget transfers.  
MCMAHON:  Second.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  We have a motion and a second.  Can we get a roll call vote, please?  
BENDER:  Councilmember Earle? 
EARLE:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Larrabee? 
LARRABEE:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Kalivianakis? 
KALIVIANAKIS:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember McMahon? 
MCMAHON:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Councilmember Watts? 
WATTS:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Vice Mayor Skillicorn? 
SKILLICORN:  No.

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BENDER:  And Mayor Friedel? 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Aye. 
BENDER:  Mayor, 6-1.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you. 
GOODWIN:  Thanks, Jeff.  Good job.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  Then we'll move on to regular agenda item B, possible 
discussion and possible action relating to selling town-owned parcels not related to 
washes.  
GOODWIN:  Correct.  I had a lot of calls about this one, a lot of questions.  So I'd like to 
give a little bit of a background on this.  This item is actually at the mayor's initiative.  He 
has had some conversations with myself as well as staff about town-owned parcels 
specifically.  And we've been going through there are some that are connected to 
washes and have associated restrictions, and there are other parcels that do not.  And 
the conversation was, are we able to sell them?  How does that work?  So this is coming 
before you for discussion only tonight.  There has not been a lot of work done by staff at 
this point until we understand what the council's direction is.  Director Weldy has 
prepared a couple of sample items.  This is not representative of all of the whole town 
or all of the parcels, but we wanted to go ahead and at least give you some elements to 
begin the discussion.  But with that, mayor, would you like to take it from there?  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Yes.  So my thought process behind this was if we're sitting on vacant 
parcels that we're not using and we don't have a use for in the future, why not find a 
way to sell those parcels and help fund road repairs?  We've got a lake liner that's got to 
be replaced at some point, too.  So if we've got several million dollars' worth of property 
sitting there that we're not using and it's not productive for us, why not put that into 
our roads that we need, that we drive on every single day?  And we've got a lake liner 
that's facing us with a big -- bill on that too.  So my thought is to get some direction from 
this council to proceed with some of the bigger parcels that might have some value to 
them that we're not doing anything with, and see what -- we've got, and then have staff 
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Councilman Watts? 
WATTS:  I think Councilwoman McMahon was before me. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman McMahon? 
MCMAHON:  Thank you.  Justin, the properties that we're talking about, are there any of 
them designated for parks or anything like that that will affect future build out of parks 
and community?  And also, another question.  I don't know if you can answer this 
because this is just for discussion.  And it's probably going to be part of our discussion, is 
that if and when -- if and when properties sell, I'd like council to consider that some -- of 
that money, if not half or whatever, goes to the lake liner depending upon the value of 
what sells, et cetera and the -- reality of being able to do that.  So because it would 
reduce the bond or whatever we're going to need to get.  But anyway, could you please 
address my question about parks?  Thank you. 
WELDY:  Mr. Mayor, councilmembers, so I'll be able to address the first part of that.  
Obviously, the second part is a decision by the elected body.  In my staff report, I 
discovered an error late this afternoon while I was rereading it.  I did note in there that 
none of the properties include the properties shown on the Parks and Rec's master plan 
I errored there.  There is one piece of property that was designated to be a park, where 
there is clearly not going to be one right now, on the corner of SunRidge Canyon and 
Desert Canyon there.  So the balance of the properties that we will be describing and 
looking at tonight, and, if so, the future are not associated with any of those properties 
shown in the Parks and Rec master plan.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  And then also if and when any of these properties sell, you're going 
to have to look at the zoning, see what can be done with them.  You know, like 
development wise, traffic studies and all that kind of stuff, right, depending upon the 
purchaser and what that entity or person wants to do with them, correct?  
WELDY:  To some extent, Councilmember.  So prior to offering any piece of property up 
for sale, Public Works Department will work with development services to ensure that 
the appropriate zoning is applied prior to it being placed up for sale.  If there is anything 
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to traffic impact analysis related to some of them, it's not likely the majority will do that.  
The reason for that is we are primarily looking at a series of single-family home lots and 
or a lot big enough for townhomes.  There are some much larger parcels out there, but 
we'll have to look at that and discuss access, floodplain, and several other issues.  And 
again, just some examples is what we're discussing tonight.  
MCMAHON:  Right.  Okay.  And thank you.  And this is a pretty long process.  It's not just 
something that's going to be done in the next month, et cetera, and it will be brought 
back to council frequently probably, yeah? 
WELDY:  If a decision is made tonight to move forward -- 
MCMAHON:  Uh-huh. 
WELDY:  -- we will bring it to the council in pieces.  
MCMAHON:  Okay.  
WELDY:  And ask for permission to sell it.  And then as part of that we will also have a 
survey and an appraisal done on them.  
MCMAHON:  Uh-huh.  Okay.  And also as part of the discussion, you know, I'd like to 
address each parcel where it is.  So we have a clear understanding of what it is, what the 
town is giving up, and that, you know, that won't have an adverse effect on the town 
and its assets and things like that too.  Okay.  Thank you.  
WELDY:  And to further your and to actually answer your question, we're looking at 12-
plus months.  If it was the only thing that we had to do, it might take less time.  But it's 
just one of several things that we will be working on during that time frame.  
MCMAHON:  Thank you, Mr. Weldy.  
WELDY:  You're welcome.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Vice Mayor.  
SKILLICORN:  I don't think I was next.  Doesn't matter.  Well, Mr. Mayor, and Director 
Weldy, I guess some of this is related to a little bit the aspect, the Ashbrook, that's what 
four or five different plots there -- four different lots, I see and those would be zoned 
residential, correct?  
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location.  So whatever the zoning is for the remainder of them, that's what it would be.  
SKILLICORN:  And Mr. Mayor, Director, is that currently what the zoning is or is there -- 
they're not zoned? 
WELDY:  It's zoned for, I think, it's single family or condos.  The designation I'm not 
certain of, because I don't deal with that much zoning, but we can get clarification from 
Director Wesley -- 
SKILLICORN:  Okay. 
WELDY:  -- if necessary.  
SKILLICORN:  And then, Mr. Mayor, I don't know, director, if you remember this, the 
SunRidge one -- is that the parcel that there was the parks had planned like a pathway 
there that the community -- 
WELDY:  Yes. 
SKILLICORN:  -- did not want? 
WELDY:  That is correct.  
SKILLICORN:  Okay.  Thank you for that answer.  And you know, to these issues I am 
going to really be on the side of more open space.  I don't know if I really like the idea of 
having these, selling these properties and developing them.  I mean, for different 
scenarios, for each one I'd actually like to see I'd like, you know, I can see a map here, 
but I, I'd like to go and like, check out the Ashbrook site.  I mean, I think open space 
probably is desirable.  It almost seems like an extension of the wash there although 
technically it may not.  So I'd like to see that myself, but I'm probably, again, going to 
lean towards open space.  And really the same thing with SunRidge.  I mean, we had 
people that didn't want extra traffic there.  They didn't want people parking their cars 
and going for hikes there.  I don't think the people, the same people that were opposed 
to that, and a couple of them are here, would like the idea of condos or something being 
on that property.   
So I mean, I'm leaning against that, against selling these properties.  I was really going to 
decide to open space here and maintaining as much open space as we can.  But also I 
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that permission from the council or is that permission from the voters?  Would that go 
to go on the ballot for people to vote on?  
GOODWIN:  It's my understanding.  And Jen, feel free to jump in, is that any parcel if it's 
owned by the town, the council would need to give that direction and approval for sale.  
The most recent one that I can think of is probably the old fire station.  
WELDY:  The abandoned fire station is how I refer to it was one that we sold, and we 
currently have one on the market on Genoa that this body approved. 
GOODWIN:  Yes. 
WELDY:  If I may, for some clarification in regards to the piece of property on SunRidge 
and Desert Canyon, that is zoned for single family homes, and it would be identical to 
those across the street which the topography and the mountain range was very, very 
similar there.  And there's a preserve behind them with some open space.  
SKILLICORN:  Thank you, thank you.  And then, Mr. Mayor, I -- think this should go to the 
People to vote on.  I mean, if -- the council wants to sell these, I would urge the council 
to let it go to a vote to the people.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilman Watts?  
WATTS:  Thank you.  Justin, when we consider the impact fees and we were doing that 
schedule of costs, we projected how many parks we would need at some point in the 
future, that five or ten years and Paul can probably answer that, but I would ask you to 
make sure we consider that by selling off this land, we retain whatever that projected 
number was.  That's first -- that's kind of a statement.   
Second one is I'd like to know, even though they are zoned when I'm -- looking at the 
Ashbrook one, there's two dwelling units on one.  The other ones look like single family 
lots.  For some reason they're zoned a little bit differently, but they're still subject to 
variances and having something go on.  My concern there is that the adjoining lots -- 
and this is for the residents more than anything else.  If I bought a lot and built a house 
and I never -- and I was told that that was preserved land and I would never have 
anything there, I'd be real concerned about somebody all of a sudden selling that off 
and putting a two-story house up.  So I would ask you to consider that as well.

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I'm also not a supporter of selling off land until we get questions like that.  And like 
Councilmember Skillicorn asked, to make sure that we're doing everything we can to 
protect what the interests are of the homeowners and more I'm leaning on the 
homeowner side as opposed to the town's side.  I know it's a labor burden to keep 
washes and right of ways all clean, but I wouldn't want to be the homeowner that had a 
lot and you sold my lot or sold an adjoining lot off and build a two-story house.  I'd be 
concerned.  
WELDY:  I understand that.  Mr. Mayor, Councilmember, if I may.  So on average in 
public works, we probably get 50 calls a year demanding that construction stop on a 
home.  And the primary reason for that is my realtor said nothing would ever be built 
across the canyon.  So I understand that concern.  In regards to whether or not 
someone has or has not been told that, I don't think that in public works that we have 
any control over that.  Regarding each individual piece of land there shall be no 
favoritism from anybody on the staff related to that piece of land.  All the same 
conditions that would apply to any other undeveloped piece of property, whether it's a 
single family or a duplex, would apply.  All of them would have to go through the same 
process as a landowner and a future home builder and/or resident.  
WATTS:  I understand.  But my point is just making sure that we do everything we can to 
protect those that were told that nothing would ever be built there to obstruct their 
views or whatever happens to be built there.  And there's always that potential for 
having somebody rezone it for something other than what it's stipulated at this point or 
anticipated at this point.  So just we're not voting on it tonight.  I just want to make sure 
that we're considering all of these things as best we can before we get to that point.  
WELDY:  Understood.  
WATTS:  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Earle? 
EARLE:  Thank you, Mayor.  I'm glad this is just a suggestion tonight or for discussion.  I 
do not support this.  I -- think the town should hang on to its land because I -- disagree 
with you, I'm sorry, but I don't think we know what -- needs there will be in the future.

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We can't tell the future.  We maybe don't need it now, but we're not in dire straits 
financially, so I don't see the need of selling these off.  And I like having a little more 
open land.  And if we did need something in the future and we sold off our land, we'd 
have to purchase that land at the going rate at that time, which may cost us more 
money, so -- and also the time that we will be asking the staff to put into this.  So I 
would not be a supporter of it.  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Larabee.  
LARRABEE:  Thank you, Mayor.  I -- guess I take a little bit more of a middle ground 
approach.  But I -- also do lean toward open space.  I love the idea of getting some 
money put away for the lake liner.  However, I do think, and you explained that this is a 
long process, so this is our first discussion about it.  I'm going to have an open mind, and 
I personally will be considering each individual plot separately, and whether it's wise to 
sell that or to hold on to it for yes, the community interest, but then also, financially 
speaking, that's an appreciating asset in the long term, right, say for huge emergencies 
and then economy heals itself.  Point being land is an appreciating asset.  And God 
forbid, if we were to be in dire straits as a town, it would be helpful to have some of that 
land in case we are in a position where we really need to sell it.  I guess what I'm trying 
to communicate is I'm not necessarily opposed to selling any, but I will lean toward 
probably selling fewer.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Are there any speaker cards on this?  
BENDER:  Yes, Mayor, we have five cards.  First card is Larry Myers, followed by Crystal 
Kavanaugh.  
MYERS:  Larry Myers, resident, 44 years.  Mayor, Council, staff, so I'm going to take a 
perspective of looking at the individual inventory of what's out there, and lean more 
heavily towards advocating that these parcels are assets and looking at it from a 
business perspective, what's the return on investment right now?  Open space, I like it, I 
like open space.  But I sit on a economic development committee with an economic 
development director, and all we talk about is how things would change here if we had 
an anchor corporate headquarters.  So there are -- there is land that we don't have to

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grab from somebody else that the town owns.  And I don't look at it as an asset for 
selling, because then you have to worry about selling it to whom and what will they do 
with it?  As one of the council persons mentioned or Justin mentioned, you don't know 
what the next person is going to want to do with it.  So I look at it as an asset that the 
town owns that might be a carrot to bring someone here, to be an anchor employer, to 
create jobs, to put kids in schools, all the things that we talk about every month in this 
Economic Development Committee meeting.   
And I know -- there's one.  I don't know if there's more than one, but I think you ought 
to consider it from a business perspective, not necessarily a revenue producer to cover 
expenses that I know we're going to have, but if you look at it from a business 
perspective, you might get more out of it and end up with the revenue to pay for the 
lake liner as well, and all the other associated benefits that that would bring.  So I would 
advocate for that, and especially for our economic development director, who's got a 
tough job and just trying to do it.  Thanks.  
BENDER:  Crystal Cavanaugh, Fountain Hills resident.  
CAVANAUGH:  I'm going to speak specifically to the SunRidge Canyon one.  This is the 
one that I think it was a couple years ago, and I do think it was zoned open space 
recreation.  And it's at the corner of SunRidge and Desert Canyon.  And at the time, it 
started out to just be a natural hiking trail that they were going to just put through 
there.  But then suddenly the plan was to build a parking lot first, so then we didn't 
know what was going on, and then suddenly it wasn't just natural.  Then they're going to 
add ramadas, and then they were going to add electricity.  And luckily the council 
listened to the residents who said, we don't want this, and I am a SunRidge Canyon 
resident.   
So now that this is coming up again, my only concern is obviously my first choice is to 
leave it natural.  It's not that big, and I don't know how much maintenance the town 
actually has to spend on it.  It's natural.  And my other thought is definitely to emphasize 
if ever it got sold, it would have to be single family homes.  There are no condos right 
around that area.  There are no townhomes right around that area.  The only thing is the

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golf course maintenance shed is there, but then there's homes off of Desert Canyon.  
There's solitude homes, and then there's homes across the street from that.  So I urge 
you to just leave it as open space.  But if it does get rezoned, it absolutely has to be 
single family.  Thank you.  
BENDER:  Shelby Blecher, followed by Linda Kavanaugh.  
BLECHER:  Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, Shelby Blecher, one day shy of a two-year 
resident in Fountain Hills.  I also live in SunRidge, and I go by the property at SunRidge in 
Desert Canyon on quite often.  It's a very small parcel, and I appreciate all the comments 
that you made about open space and the need for hiking trails and whatnot.  There is 
plenty in SunRidge Canyon.  Our homes are not sitting on top of one another.  They're 
very well placed out.  I'm in favor of selling off that one property as long as I know that 
the homeowners' associations around there will build in a fashion that is similar to 
what's already there.  Single family homes across the street, single family homes to the 
north of it, to the south of it, and a hole of golf below it.  You can't really see it from the 
streets.  As long as the setbacks are reasonable for public safety, for people to cross the 
street, because there are a lot of pedestrians that walk their dogs around there, there's 
a lot of bike riders around there.  I don't see why that small property needs to be in the 
town's inventory.  The rest of the properties I can't speak with, but like I said, this is my 
neighborhood, so thank you.  
KAVANAGH:  Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, Linda Kavanagh, Fountain Hills resident. I'm 
glad I listened to the presentation first because I say something a little bit differently 
right now.  I'm going to agree with Councilwoman Larabee.  I think you need to look at 
each of the parcels, and some might be in an area where you really do need to sell it, 
and it would fit right into the neighborhood as residential and others maybe not, maybe 
might be conducive to a little pocket park or something like that.  So you look at each 
one individually and then -- you decide keeping in mind that people built their home 
there knowing that it was zoned residential single family.  And that's -- what they would 
want to see if you decide to sell that piece of property.   
The way I see it is that, you know, when -- people buy their homes, that's the zoning is

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actually a promise to those people that this is what's going to be here.  Whatever 
happens, you can be guaranteed that it's -- going to be that zoning.  And I think that's 
only fair.  The other question I have, which I didn't hear anybody touch on, was, how are 
you going to go about selling these?  What's the process?  Is it -- going to be is it going to 
be you put out for bid?  Is it going to be real estate?  I mean, I just like to know that.  
And that's basically all I have for comment.  Hi, Rachael.  
GOODWIN:  Hi.  I don't know if I'm allowed to answer, but I'm going to just because it is 
a -- it is a common question.  And -- Justin, I think you can chime in too.  But municipally, 
we are bound to do it in one of two ways, which I think is we have to accept -- we have 
to do a bid process for it for fair market value.  Or we can do an auction.  So those are 
the two ways, again, because of limits by the State that we have to do it that way.  
KAVANAGH:  Okay.  Thank you.   
GOODWIN:  Sure.   
KAVANAGH:  Thank you.  
BENDER:  Mayor, the last speaker is Kim Malborskie.  
MALBORSKIE:  Mayor and Council, I'm Kim Malborskie, a six-year resident of Fountain 
Hills.  I think I got up here a couple months ago and said it was going to be five.  But my 
tax accountant pointed out to me that my math is bad, but I think my logic is still 
working.  So I hate to disagree with the mayor because I think the mayor is a star and 
I'm very grateful that he is our mayor.  But I also feel that this land should be kept as 
open space.  Open space is habitat.  I may not look like it, but I'm a greenie and I love all 
little animals that live in our neighborhood.  And I know a lot of them are living up there.  
And I think it's important.  I think it's I think it adds to the beauty and the character of 
the town to have as much open space as we have.  That being said, if it does have to be 
developed, I agree it needs to be not only single-family homes, but single-family homes, 
as Justin said, that are in the same character and size lots and as the rest of the 
neighborhood.  It's also -- it's surrounded by SunRidge Canyon HOA.  And I am a resident 
of SunRidge Canyon HOA.  So I believe that ideally it would be a part of our HOA that 
would be part of our community if that happened.  But again, I'd rather have, you know,

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little packrats and javelinas living up there than those guys.  So thank you.  
BENDER:  That was the last speaker.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  I think I need to be clear.  I don't think we're looking to 
have any zoning changes done on this.  And we should look at each parcel -- individually.  
And maybe the SunRidge HOA would be interested in buying that -- corner parcel.  So 
again, my thought was just to look at what we have, see if it makes sense and develop a 
plan.  Like Justin said, it's going to take a year anyway to do this.  So that's my thought 
on it anyway.  We're not looking to put apartments or condos where there's single 
family residents.  That's not what not -- not what the intent of this is.  
WELDY:  Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers, if I may, based on some of the speakers, the 
town currently does not have any commercial property that would be included in this.  
This is primarily all single-family home and/or a duplex or townhome, and each one of 
those designations would depend on the existing zoning around it.  There would be no 
changes to that.  The exception would be SunRidge, Desert Canyon, changing that to the 
appropriate zoning, which I think the density there would generate about ten lots.  Be 
identical to everything else that was developed in there.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilperson? 
KALIVIANAKIS:  Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  First off, I just want to appreciate the 
conversation we're having.  When I first saw it on the agenda, I said, this is outside the 
box, thinking it makes good sense.  Let's talk about this conversation.  Initially, I was kind 
of for it, and then I'm not now.  And I do agree with many of the councilmembers that 
spoke.  It -- seems like land is an appreciating asset, and it makes us look a little 
desperate that we need money selling an appreciating asset.  It's kind of like cashing in a 
life insurance policy for a new sports car.  You know, after in five years, you're not going 
to have a life insurance policy or the sports car.  So you've just sold your future.  I'd like 
to avoid that.  
I also do when I look at the SunRidge Canyon and the Ashbrook, you know, it's going 
to -- there's going to be some rezoning and they're going to be building houses where 
residents didn't -- didn't expect there to be houses.  And I do want to respect the zoning

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is a sacred bond between the town and its citizens.  And if we decide to change zoning, 
not because a realtor said, oh, don't worry about it, but we really change the zoning.  
And they said, now the town did it, the people aren't going to appreciate that.  So I'm 
glad we're having the discussion, but I don't think we should go here.  And I do think we 
should keep the open spaces.  
GOODWIN:  Mr. Mayor,  I've heard a wide range of things tonight.  What I really need to 
know, and what our staff needs to know is what, if any, steps does the majority want to 
take for this process, if -- any?  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman Earle? 
EARLE:  No steps.  Is that clear? 
MAYOR FRIEDE:  Councilman Watts? 
WATTS:  I think we need more information before we move forward -- and I think 
collecting that information -- 
GOODWIN:  That's what I'm saying.  That is staff time and resources, right.  If we're 
going to do that, that's a step forward.  
WATTS:  That's -- I don't think you can make a decision whether to sell or not sell or do 
something with it, whatever, without knowing more about what we've got today.  I 
don't think we've got good, clear answers on where we're at today or the why.  
GOODWIN:  I just need to know if you want the time and effort put towards putting that 
together.  It sounds like that's a yes from you.? 
WATTS:  For me, it's a yes.  Yes. 
GOODWIN:  Okay. 
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilwoman? 
LARRABEE:  I'm sorry, Mayor.  I'm still recovering from, I think, whiplash.  The -- previous 
conversation, I think, was really valuable.  I would like to see some -- I would like to see 
this return to an agenda with plots identified for us to consider.  I want to stress, I do 
want to consider these individually and consider the surrounding community or 
surrounding land for those areas.  Yeah, the neighbors.   
Again,  --I'm just going to be very frank.  I lean toward open space.  I think I'll lean

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toward selling less of these.  However, I do want to identify the ones that are worth 
selling, and I believe that some of that money going toward the lake liner -- the lake 
liner is not a hot rod.  The lake liner is something we all know we're going to need and 
soon.  And I want to do everything in my power to avoid a bond, to avoid asking the 
taxpayers to carry a burden for something that we know that we can save for.  So I want 
to consider that balance so please understand and be patient with me, because I might 
be someone who lengthens this process, but I want to balance that open space with 
preparing for the future.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Vice Mayor? 
SKILLICORN:  Mr. Mayor, a lot of times in the budget process, we ask for a green light, 
yellow light or red light?  Red light.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.  Councilwoman McMahon? 
MCMAHON:  Thank you very much.  I'm not going to put staff -- I don't intend to put 
staff on you know, having to say yay or nay right now and/or Paul for the budget, but I 
think what I would like is more information from your vantage point as managers of the 
properties, managers of the budget, et cetera, and is there a need to sell the properties?  
Is it something that, you know the timing on you think that it's in the best interest of the 
town to get rid of one or two of them?  Or are you guys fine with leaving it as the status 
quo?  And also given, you know, some of the community input, not just tonight, but 
before about the area on the ridge up there.  Will there be any community impact, you 
know, hearings on this or anything like that?  That's really going way above, I think, what 
we're talking about tonight.  But I think for me, I'm leaning towards moving forward 
because I want more information to -- so that a more educated decision can be made 
about it with staff input, because I kind of feel like I'm going at it blind here a little bit.  
Justin looks at me like, huh?  Do you understand what I'm asking?  
GOODWIN:  I do, I think.   
MCMAHON:  Thank you.   
GOODWIN:  I think there's a -- balance to be struck because the depending on the level 
of information that's requested or expected --

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MCMAHON:  Right. 
GOODWIN:  It's a significant ask on staff to pull the GIS to do -- 
MCMAHON:  I know. 
GOODWIN:  -- all of the different measurements.  And I know the next question is going 
to be, well, how much do you think they're worth?  That's a whole other process.  
MCMAHON:  I know, but I guess what I'm saying is, look, you guys are know our 
investment portfolio.  Okay.  Good investors and stuff take a look at that.  They balance 
what we have.  They balance, you know, if we're making money or our assets are 
increasing in value, et cetera.  I guess that's what I'm asking, is to take a look at our 
portfolio and see, is it in our best interest to possibly sell one or two or whatever lots?  
That's, I guess, what I'm asking.  The bottom line.  
GOODWIN:  Are you looking for that assessment now or to come back with another 
item -- 
MCMAHON:  No, no, no, not right now. 
GOODWIN:  Okay. 
MCMAHON:  Oh, no I don't want to put you on the spot like that.  I just -- I guess I'm 
asking -- I'm not saying you haven't considered that already, but I'm -- asking if you have 
and just to come back and have a conversation.  Period.  Okay.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilperson Kalivianakis? 
KALIVIANAKIS:  Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  Just -- to clarify with -- the town manager, is this 
something that you can spend a little time on, or is this going to be a major time sink?  I 
ask that because in our report this is authorization to give you the go ahead is to 
proceed with appraisals of all the properties, valuations, identify surplus parcels, 
prepare for zoning adjustments, public notifications, public input.  It seems like this is 
going to be a over a year-long project to a staff that I think has already been 
overworked.  Did you see that as, is this something that just we could just look into it a 
little?  Or is this a headfirst in the pool?  
GOODWIN:  I think to that point, yes, we can have further conversation.  There's nothing 
wrong with that.  What I'm concerned with is that we won't be able to answer a lot of

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the -- all of the questions that have come up tonight, because those are all contingent 
on what you just said.  I can't give you a valuation.  We would need to go get it valued.  
We would need to go get it surveyed.  A lot of those go hand in hand with a lot of the -- 
the logistic and logical questions that have come up tonight.  There's -- -- it makes 
complete sense where the questions come from.   
And Justin can kind of speak to this is -- is he and I kind of had a meeting of the minds to 
say, where is it that we put the brakes on and say, we're going to save our -- our -- our 
time and energy until we know what you guys would like from us.  Again, I've kind of 
thrown out you know, we have a new GIS staff person who's been here three weeks, 
four weeks maybe.  So this would be their first major project.  So there is conversation 
that we can have and come back with a little more detail, but I am very cautious about 
using staff time for something that may not be where we want to go with this.   
To your point, I absolutely agree each parcel has its own identity and its own 
characteristics and its own impact to the community.  You know, the SunRidge parcel 
has been a topic of conversation for a lot of different things, and I really value the, you 
know, what that means to that community.  Justin mentioned earlier we have a parcel 
on Genoa that is out for is it -- it is up right now? 
WELDY:  It is out for bid.  
GOODWIN:  It is out for bid right now, which is a parcel that we talked about with this 
body and staff supported.  Yeah, this seems like a reasonable thing, and we have taken 
them one by one as interest came from a private person.  But we have not initiated any 
of this as a staff-driven project.  And I think that may go back to what you were saying.  
Councilmember McMahon, this isn't something the staff has come forward and said, 
hey, we really -- got to look at this.  
WELDY:  Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers, if I may, and Rachael, I would suggest to 
streamline this and get back to the council with some definitive answers that we just 
focus on the building lots.  These are single family lots that don't require any rezoning 
on Ashbrook Drive.  They are attached to tonight's agenda.  That is relatively 
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setbacks, zoning.  So that's just a small piece.  We could certainly dig deeper into that, if 
that's a consensus and come back to you in in the spring, sometime February, March 
with additional information just about those.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  I think that's a good suggestion.  Councilwoman Larrabee?  
LARRABEE:  Yes.  I was mostly just going to echo that.  I think that's a good suggestion to 
just start small.  Let's get those on the agenda.  We'll consider those, and then maybe in 
the future, we can consider other plots.  I -- think that this is a worthwhile initiative, but 
I also recognize the amount of time and work that gets put into it.  And as someone who 
has worked in GIS, please give our employee my condolences.  It's a very difficult 
program.  I love it, but very difficult.  Anyway, I understand the amount of work it takes 
and the amount of time each individual shape you're adding to the map takes.  So I want 
to say I'm grateful for that person and to limit their work, let's start on Ashbrook.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Councilman Watts?  
WATTS:  I think, Justin, you said it pretty succinctly.  You don't need to get into the 
weeds on this.  You need -- you've got some information, whether it's something like 
looking at value of lots on Zillow or talking to a realtor, bringing it up a level.  And then I 
want to make sure that we balance the needs of the town and the beliefs of the 
residents in the area and those types of impacts.  So I don't think that there's a deep 
dive necessarily, but coming back with some general guidelines as here's what we can 
anticipate.  Is it worthwhile?  And frankly, we haven't agreed on what it is on the table 
for next year.  Not at this point anyway.  So you may not have anything to do.  And this 
may just be filling up your plate.  
WELDY:  And if I may, Mayor and Council, in regards to the Ashbrook location, that was 
actually intended to be a road that went from Ashbrook to Hamilton, across to Ashbrook 
wash.  But the topography and the elevation change is about 30 or 40 feet, so MCO 
elected, and there are several of them along Ashbrook wash, where they were originally 
supposed to be crossover roads.  They simply decided not to build.  And the example 
that we're sharing with you tonight is one of those locations.  It was intended to be a 
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WATTS:  And just so I'm clear on it, this is the first time we've looked at this opportunity, 
is that correct? 
WELDY:  For this location, yes, sir.  
WATTS:  Okay.  Thank you.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  I'd also like to remind this council that we're sitting on 40 or $50 
million worth of backlogged road work and a $15 million lake liner replacement.  So I'm 
not saying we need to sell every single parcel in this town, but you don't want to bond 
for either -- of those projects.  We have to look at some alternatives.  So I think this is a 
good way to start.  Let's see what we've got and then we move from there.  
GOODWIN:  Thank you for the discussion.  It sounds like we'll be bringing back the 
Ashbrook parcel as you mentioned, Justin, and we'll take it from there.  
WELDY:  Yes, thank you for the opportunity.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Okay.  We'll move on now to council direction to the town manager.  
Is there anything for the town manager?  Councilman Watts?  
WATTS:  I'd like, you know, the Palisades and Shea has been intermittently problematic.  
Accidents, people.  Every day I see people just simply roll through the sign.  Is there any 
way that we can look at the cost of -- warning sign that midway up the hill that says 
crossing traffic, much like a crossing truck sign or something to that effect?  That, I 
mean, we've got these flashing stoplights.  We may as well add to the excitement by 
putting another flashing sign.  If there was a sensor there that said there is crossing 
traffic or something like that.  
GOODWIN:  Sure, let me get with staff and we can take a look at what that would be. 
WATTS:  It may be kind of a way to mitigate it.  And in lieu of doing something like that, 
if we own the road, and Councilman Skillicorn brought up an interesting point -- do we 
own the road?  Does Maricopa County own it?  If we own it, maybe there's other things 
we can do with it to generate some revenue.  Toll bridges come to mind.  
GOODWIN:  You said Palisades and Shea or did I mishear you?  
WATTS:  Yes.  Palisades and Shea. 
GOODWIN:  That's a stoplight.

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WATTS:  It's a no turn on red that people --  
GOODWIN:   Got it.  The no turn.  That's been a constant problem.  It's been repeated 
time and time again on how to fix that.  And it just hasn't been a doable job because of 
the expense, et cetera.  So.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Okay.  Do we have any future agenda items?  Can I get a motion to 
adjourn?  
EARLE:  So moved.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  We have a motion.  
LARRABEE:  Second.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  All in favor?  
MULTIPLE SPEAKERS:  Aye.  
MAYOR FRIEDEL:  Thank you.

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HAVING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, MAYOR GERRY M. FRIEDEL ADJOURNED THE REGULAR 
MEETING OF THE FOUNTAIN HILLS TOWN COUNCIL HELD ON DECEMBER 2, 2025, AT  
7:17 P.M. 
 
 
 
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 GERRY M. FRIEDEL, MAYOR 
 
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I HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE FOREGOING MINUTES ARE A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF 
THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, 
FOUNTAIN HILLS, ARIZONA HELD ON DECEMBER 2, 2025.  I FURTHER CERTIFY THAT THE 
MEETING WAS DULY CALLED AND HELD AND THAT A QUORUM WAS PRESENT. 
 
 
 
 
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