July 29, 2021 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSON OF THE CITY OF
CHANDLER, ARIZONA, July 29, 2021, held in the Chandler Museum, Saguaro Room, 300 South
Chandler Village Drive, Chandler, Arizona.

1. CALL TO ORDER/ ROLL CALL
CHAIRMAN WASTCHACK called the meeting to order at 5:04 p.m.
The following Commission Members answered Roll Call:

Chairman Devan Wastchak
Vice Chairman Jeff Velasquez
Commissioner Cheryl Bell
Commissioner Matt Eberle
Commissioner Erika Finbraaten
Commissioner Bryan Saba
Commissioner Kevin Weight

Ex Officio Member Jody Crago

Absent:

Also, present:

Ms. Mary Murphy-Bessler, Downtown Chandler Community Partnership
Mr. Derek Horn, Development Services Director

Mr. David de la Torre, Planning Manager

Mr. Zachary Werdean, City Planner

Mr. Harley Mehlhorn, Junior Planner

Mr. Thomas Allen, Assistant City Attorney

Mr. Eric Vondy, State Historic Preservation Office

Ms. Julie San Miguel, Clerk

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
a. Meeting Minutes of September 18, 2020, Architectural Review Committee Approved

MOVED BY VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ, seconded by COMMISSIONER SABA to approve the
Meeting Minutes of September 18, 2020, Architectural Review Committee. The Motion
carries unanimously 7-0.

b. Special Meeting Minutes of the March 24, 2021, Historic Preservation Commission
Approved

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WEIGHT, seconded by COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN to approve
the Special Meeting Minutes of the March 24, 2021, Historic Preservation Commission. The
Motion carries unanimously 7-0.

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c. Meeting Minutes of March 24, 2021, Historic Preservation Commission Approved

MOVED BY VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ, seconded by COMMISSIONER WEIGHT to approve
the Meeting Minutes of March 24, 2021, Historic Preservation Commission, The Motion
carries unanimously 7-0.

3. BRIEFING ITEMS
a. Certified Local Government (CLG) Presentation

DEREK HORN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR introduced Mr. Eric Vondy from the State
Historic Preservation Office as he has prepared a presentation on Certified Local
Governments.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE explained the Certified Local
Government (CLG) program was created by the National Park Service in 1985 and currently
there is a total of thirty CLGs. He further explained, unlike California who added additional
requirements for their State, Arizona uses the national requirements. He stated Chandler
has already fulfilled most of the requirement and they are as follows: There must be an
ordinance to establish a qualified historic preservation commission, There must be a system
that allows for design review and has a set of guidelines, There must be an ordinance that
allows for a method of survey and inventory of local historic resources, and To fill out the
paperwork and get reserves from the existing commissioners of the National Park Service.
He stated once CLG status is obtained, day-to-day life does not really change; however, on
a year-to-year basis 10% ($90,000 to $100,000) of federal funding from the National Park
Service must be passed on to thirty CLGs in the form of grants. He further stated the non-
competitive grant process is simple and can be as much as $20,000 with a 40% match, which
can be in-kind and often staff time is used as a match. He advised the grants are not bricks
and mortar grants and because they are planning grants, they can be used for things like
National Register nomination, surveying inventory, building condition assessments. He
further advised the 1970s was fifty years ago and suggested Chandler start figuring out which
subdivisions are worth preserving due to the growth that happened during that time period.
He stated the City of Tucson did this and surveyed up to five hundred subdivisions just to
create a tiered priority list. He stated there is no annual reporting requirement for CLGs to
the National Park Service, however they are working on one , but it has not been
implemented at this time.

COMMISSIONER EBERLE asked the amount of the grant and the match requirement.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE replied the grant can give $10,000 to
$20,000 per year with a 40% match requirement. He explained the match can be in cash or
in-kind, which many cities match in-kind using staff volunteer hours. He mentioned there are
rare circumstances where a waiver can be granted regarding the match requirement. He
stated the grant is a reimbursement grant, therefore the city must spend the money first

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then apply and it is a fairly easy process, the average application is ten pages long. He
mentioned the Arizona Heritage Fund was removed from statute during the great recession,
but two years ago was put back into statute without funding. He explained this year the
legislature granted a one-time appropriation of funds, and they are currently in the process
of creating rules and an application process. He stated the one-time appropriation came
from the general fund, but in the past the grant was funded by lottery money and hopefully
it can be funded that way again so it can be permanent.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT asked to present information regarding responsibilities the City
may acquire for the National Registry.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE responded, if we are doing a
nomination for somewhere in Chandler, we would consult with the City of Chandler to get
the Historic Preservation Officers’ opinion on that property. He mentioned Section 106 would
need to be met.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN asked to elaborate on Section 106.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE advised that Section 106 of the
National Historic Preservation Act are requirements that federal projects must try to avoid
historic properties if possible. He further advised that federal agencies or projects federally
funded must go through the Section 106 process and must find a solution, so a historic
property is not destroyed. He stated, if the property must be destroyed there has to be
documentation or some sort of mitigation, but that would be something the city must deal
with. He further stated if a City was a CLG they would have a larger voice in the Section 106
process regarding saving a historic property or letting one go.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT clarified if Chandler were to become a CLG that there would not be
additional responsibilities regarding the Section 106 process, but they would have a larger
role in the Section 106 review process if they wanted to act.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE stated, that is a good way of
putting it, the CLG is not required to do anything, but they can take a larger role in the Section
106 process if they wish.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN stated it would come in handy if a project was going through
the city and if it was going to affect something historic, the city would have an opportunity
to do something instead of being left out of the loop.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE stated that is exactly why the CLG
program was started to give local communities a stronger voice in the Section 106 process,
therefore it is not the State making the decision on the city’s behalf.

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COMMISSIONER WEIGHT mentioned the progress the City of Chandler has made in creating
the Historic Preservation Commission and ordinances and stated that he has seen the
benefits from becoming a CLG firsthand as a staff member at City of Phoenix. He explained
the biggest benefit is the grant funds and getting money for projects they would otherwise
not have the capacity to take on. He further explained the application is simple and they
match in-kind by using staff volunteer hours. He stated the City of Chandler is the largest city
in Arizona that is not a CLG and strongly recommended that Chandler takes that step.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if Chandler is heading in that direction as it appears so by Staff
having the CLG presentation on this date.

DEREK HORN, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR replied they wanted to do the
presentation and get the information before making a recommendation.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN presented statements regarding the benefits from the
increased relationship and annual conference that provides opportunities for
commissioners to learn more about what other communities are doing.

ERIC VONDY, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE explained typically there is an annual
training event and this year, due to additional funding, the national organization CAMP
(Commission Assistance and Mentoring Program) will be providing training. He stated any
City who is a CLG or interested in becoming one should attend.

4. AGENDA ITEMS:

a. PLH21-0010 PEDAL HAUS BREWERY SIGN Approved

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER presented the following information regarding the
request for architectural plan review approval for new signage to the building located at 95
W Boston Street.

Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed modifications to complement the existing Early Twentieth
Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic
Preservation Commission (HPC) approve the request.

Request
Pedal Haus is a restaurant located on the southeast corner of Oregon St and Boston St.

The applicant is requesting approval for three new signs: one on each street frontage and
one on the rear patio facing the alley.

North elevation: 4’0” x 11’4” for a total of 45.33 square feet int-illuminated open-faced pan
channel display.

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West elevation: 4’0” x 11’4” for a total of 45.33 square feet int-illuminated open-faced pan
channel display.

Patio: 16" x 14'8” for a total of 23.68 square feet of int-illuminated open-faced marquee
display.

CCD Sign Code:
For signage above the colonnade:

For signs comprising one (1) line of copy, no letter or logo shall exceed twenty-four (24)
inches in height; for signs comprising the maximum allowable two (2) lines of copy, the
combined height of both lines of copy together with the space between lines, shall not
exceed thirty-six (36) inches of height. Length of said signs shall not exceed eighty (80)
percent of storefront width. 39-9.18 CCD-City Center District.B.1.a.

The use of neon as a means of illumination, whether internal or external to a sign face, shall
be permitted at the rate not to exceed (1) such sign above the colonnade per business
occupant. 39-9.78 CCD -City Center District.A.9.

No more than one (1) sign per business occupant shall be permitted. 39-9 CCD-City Center
District.B.1.d

A sign permit shall be required. 39-9 CCD-City Center District B.1.e

Discussion

Because the CCD does not provide a maximum square feet of sign area allowed, staff is
providing size standards for C-3 and previously approved signs within the CCD for
comparison purposes.

Sign standards for C-3 (Regional Commercial) zoning district:
Signs shall not exceed two square feet for each linear foot of business frontage, no sign shall
exceed 250 square feet in area

If the subject site were zoned C-3, the total maximum square footage allowed would be
approximately 142 square feet. Pedal Haus is proposing a total of 114.34 square feet of
signage.

Previously approved signs in CCD:

Santan Brewery - 171 total square feet of sign area

Uncommon/Tipsy Egg - 268.61 total square feet of sign area

Cheba hut - 87 total square feet of sign area

Planning staff finds that the proposed signs listed above maintain consistency with the
historic character of the square and is a modern complement to the Early Twentieth Century
Commercial architectural style of the City Center District. The proposed total sign area does

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not exceed the allowed sign area and is consistent with previously approved signs in the City
Center District.

The neon signs are an allowed use in the CCD district. The marquee light sign has been used
at other locations in the downtown area such as Improv Mania. The downtown area is the
only area where both marquee light signs and neon signs may act harmonious together, and
with the rear sign being separate and not in the site line of the neon signs proposed on the
building, planning finds the signs to be compatible.

Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed exterior paint change to complement the existing Early Twentieth
Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic
Preservation Committee approve PLH21-0010 Pedal Haus at 95 W Boston St, subject to the
following conditions.

1. Development shall be in substantial conformance with Exhibits A, B, & C kept on file
in the City of Chandler Planning Division, in File No. PLH21-0010 Pedal Haus.

2. Aseparate sign permit shall be submitted for all existing and future signs.

Note: Stipulation #3 was added on the Addendum Memo presented to Historic Preservation
Commission this date:

3. The proposed sign on the South elevation facing the alley, 45.33 square feet
illuminated open-faced pan channel display sign, shall not be included with this
approval.

Proposed Motion
Move the Historic Preservation Commission approve case PLH21-0010 Pedal Haus, subject

to the conditions recommended by Planning staff.

An Addendum Memo was presented to the Commission this date to add Stipulation #3 and
to delete the notation of “west elevation” and replace it with “south elevation”.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER stated he can answer any questions as the Applicant is
not present tonight.

COMMISSIONER SABA asked what does the patio sign look like from the Brickyard.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER responded there is not light or neon showing from the
back of the sign, the view from Brickyard patio would just be the name spelt backwards

COMMISSIONER SABA asked if the sign is sitting on the wall between the two patios.

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ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER replied the sign is four to five feet from the property line
as there is an entry gate to Pedal Haus with an ADA walkway between the sign and Brickyard’s

patio.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT presented concerns regarding the penetration of each letter of the
sign and possible damage. He asked about the installation and how they are minimalizing
long term damage to the front facade brick.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER replied it is unknown how the sign will be installed and
believes Craft 64 has a similarly constructed sign.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN pointed out there is stucco on the front facade and that could
abate damage.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT presented statements regarding signs with multiple penetrations
and the potential of damage to the facade. He pointed out that multiple penetrations for
each letter is a concern.

VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ asked what is the purpose of the recommendation to deny the
rear alley sign.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER explained Staff originally thought the sign was on the
western side, but after review Staff recommended denial as the sign was identified as a
second rear alley sign.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN stated she viewed the business on Google Street View and
does not believe the sign would be visible because of the shade sails.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER mentioned the Applicant had shade sails on their patio
and would take them down by August 31, 2021, as the shades were not approved by the
Historic Preservation Commission. He further stated that the Applicant intends to come back
to the Commission once they have a plan for shade.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK advised he is more worried about the rear and westside of the
building that has exposed masonry than the front which has stucco. He stated the rear signs
are not a concern as Staff has recommended denial. He thanked Staff for mentioning the
shade sails as the Applicant has added things over time. He further stated the Commission
wants the business to be successful, but they also need to comply. He asked for clarification
on the recommended motion by Staff.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER pointed out the Addendum Memo presented to the
Commission this date has the corrected recommended motion.

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MOVED BY VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ, seconded by COMMISSIONER EBERLY to approve
Agenda Item a. PLH21-0010, Pedal Haus Brewery Sign, with stipulations recommended by
Staff and contained in the Addendum Memo. The Motion carries unanimously 7-0.

b. PLH21-0024 BLACKSHEEP WINEBAR Approved

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER presented the following information regarding the
request for approval for an exterior paint change to the building located at 98 S San Marcos
Place.

Request
Blacksheep Winebar is a new restaurant proposed to locate in the space formerly occupied

by DC Steakhouse, located on the Northwest corner of San Marcos PI and Boston St.

This request is to formally approve exterior paint color changes on the building that was
made approximately four months ago. The exterior color was changed from olive green to a
marshmallow white. In addition, the trim, doors, lights, front patio gate, and large patio
overhang were changed from a light tan to black.

Discussion

Planning staff finds that the proposed exterior modifications listed above maintain
consistency with the historic character of the square and are a modern complement to the
Early Twentieth Century Commercial architectural style of the City Center District. The white
color (SW 7001 Marshmallow) matches old historical photos of the hotel that used to occupy
the location in 1914. According to the Chandler Downtown Approved Colors list, a similar
color, “Snowflake”, is allowed for main color use. The black trim and accessory uses on the
site add a dark element to help tie into the colonnade and add contrast to the main white
color used on the building.

Signage is not part of this request and may be forthcoming under separate review and
approval by the Historic Preservation Commission if they propose to vary from adopted sign
regulations in the City Center District.

Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed exterior paint color change to complement the existing Early
Twentieth Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic
Preservation Committee approve PLH21-0024 Blacksheep Winebar at 98 S San Marcos,
subject to the following conditions.

1. Development shall be in substantial conformance with Exhibits A, B, & C kept on file in the
City of Chandler Planning Division, in File No. PLH21-0024 Blacksheep Winebar.

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Proposed Motion
Move the Historic Preservation Commission approve case PLH21-0024 Blacksheep Winebar,

subject to the conditions recommended by Planning staff.
CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK stated the building looks better with the added paint color.
COMMISSIONER SABA agreed with the Chairman and stated the color enhances the building.

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SABA, seconded by COMMISSIONER WEIGHT to approve Agenda
Item b. PLH21-0024, Blacksheep Winebar, with stipulations recommended by Staff. The
Motion carries unanimously 7-0.

c. PLH21-0025 BOURBON JACKS Approved

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER presented the following information regarding the
request for approval for an exterior paint change to the building located at 11 W Boston
Street.

Request
Bourbon Jacks is a restaurant and live entertainment venue located west of the southwest

corner of Arizona Ave. and Boston St. This request is to formally approve an exterior paint
color change on the facade that was made approximately four months ago. The trim around
the front door and windows were changed from a tan color to a vibrant blue.

Discussion

Planning staff finds that the proposed exterior modifications listed above maintain
consistency with the historic character of the square and are a modern complement to the
Early Twentieth Century Commercial architectural style of the City Center District. There is a
“Deep Sea” blue in the Chandler Downtown Approved Colors.booklet, which is similar to the
color Bourbon Jacks proposes. The blue used on the building is lighter, which gives variety
within the downtown area in an eclectic fashion.

According to John Owens, Downtown Chandler Specialist, Downtown Chandler is excited
about the new music scene that is growing. The new color refresh allows Bourbon Jacks to
play into a more modern country bar look that you may find in Nashville or Austin. The
coloring of just the trim allows Bourbon Jacks to achieve this look while keeping the historical
Downtown Chandler Early Twentieth Century architectural style intact.

Signage is not part of this request and may be forthcoming under separate review and
approval by the Historic Preservation Commission if they propose to vary from adopted sign
regulations in the City Center District.

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Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed exterior paint color change to complement the existing Early
Twentieth Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic
Preservation Committee approve PLH21-0025 Bourbon Jacks at 11 W Boston St., subject to
the following conditions.

1. Development shall be in substantial conformance with Exhibits A and B kept on file in the
City of Chandler Planning Division, in File No. PLH21-0025 Bourbon Jacks.

Proposed Motion
Move the Historic Preservation Commission approve case PLH21-0025 Bourbon Jacks,

subject to the condition recommended by Planning staff.
CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK stated he appreciates these cases coming in to get approval.

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN seconded by COMMISSIONER BELL to approve
Agenda Item c. PLH21-0025, Bourbon Jacks, with stipulations recommended by Staff. The
Motion carries unanimously 7-0.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN asked how often businesses make changes without getting
approval first.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER responded leniency with signage and certain things
during covid has confused some of the downtown neighbors. He stated the expectation to
submit before making changes has been communicated and the downtown team is aware
and working diligently with businesses.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK explained if something was changed and did not fit; the Commission
would try to be reasonable and modify it, rather than having it taken down. He stated he
appreciates the cases that are before the Commission this date and that everyone to
understands the rules.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER stated Applicants who have already made changes are
told that they must go through the Commission and there could be possible modifications
required by the Commission upon their review.

d. PLH21-0038 THE STANLEY Approved
ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER presented the following information regarding the
request for architectural plan review approval for a new sign installation on a parking shade
structure located at 158 W Boston Street.

Recommendation
Upon finding the proposed sign to complement the existing Early Twentieth Century

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Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic Preservation
Commission (HPC) approve the request.

Request
The Stanley is an AIRBNB located behind the parking structure at 158 W Boston Street.

The applicant is requesting approval of an exterior sign located on the parking structure.

Sign detail: 2’ x 14.58’ for a total of 29.16 square feet of signage, aluminum pan
channel letters, mounted on custom raceway and install on roof of awning. 3” deep
sidewalls, painted black.

CCD Sign Code:
Signs shall be mounted flush, angled, bowed, or perpendicular to the wall surface, and where

possible, be centered horizontally over the storefront. Irrespective method used for
mounting, no sign shall extend above the top of the wall parapet, nor be mounted on any
roof or roof fascia. No sign shall extend more than four (4) feet from the exterior face of the
building wall, and no sign shall overlap any window, door, or architecture feature. Maximum
Sign face area for any sign mounted perpendicular to the exterior face of the building shall
be twenty-four (24) square feet. 39-9 CCD-City Center District.B.1.b

Discussion

Because the CCD does not provide a maximum square feet of sign area allowed, staff is
providing size standards for C-3 and previously approved signs within the CCD for
comparison purposes.

Sign standards for C-3 (Regional Commercial) zoning district:
Signs shall not exceed two square feet for each linear foot of business frontage, no sign shall
exceed 250 square feet in area

If the subject site were zoned C-3, the total maximum square footage allowed would be
approximately 86 square feet. The Stanley is proposing a total of 29.16 square feet of
signage.

Previously approved signs in CCD:

Santan Brewery - 171 total square feet of sign area
Uncommon/Tipsy Egg - 268.61 total square feet of sign area
Cheba hut - 87 total square feet of sign area

According to the sign code, no signs shall extend above the top of the wall parapet, nor be
mounted on any roof or roof fascia. This sign is the first to be proposed above a roof fascia
in the Chandler City District area.

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Upon review, planning has found an exception to The Stanley's proposed sign as their site
stretches across multiple properties, is set back into the property, is marquee lighting, and
sized appropriately.

The marquee light sign has been used at other locations in the downtown area such as
Improv Mania and is also being proposed on the Pedal Haus patio. The downtown area is
the only area where both marquee light signs may act harmonious with the surrounding
environment.

Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed exterior sign change to complement the existing Early Twentieth
Century Commercial style of architecture by creating a unique aesthetic, Planning staff
recommends the Historic Preservation Committee approve PLH21-0038 The Stanley at 158
W. Boston St, subject to the following conditions.

1. Development shall be in substantial conformance with Exhibits A, B, & C kept on file in
the City of Chandler Planning Division, in File No. PLH21-0038 The Stanley

2. A separate sign permit shall be submitted for all existing and future signs

Proposed Motion
Move the Historic Preservation Commission approve case PLH21-0038 The Stanley, subject

to the condition recommended by Planning staff.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY advised of a future project, he stated to the east there is an eighty-
year-old building that will be renovated towards the end of August and will be an Airbnb type
project.

COMMISSIONER SABA asked what is the ultimate goal of the Stanley.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY pointed out the next project on the site map and advised the current
parking area will used for both sites and will all be an Airbnb type rental.

COMMISSIONER SABA asked if the proposed sign would face Boston Street.
JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY responded that the sign will be facing south.
COMMISSIONER SABA asked what the sign looks like from the north side.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY replied from the north side you see the black back of the sign. He
stated from the Hidden House one would also see the back of the sign.

COMMISSIONER SABA thanked the Applicant for explaining the goal and future project.

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VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ asked if the Applicant considered putting the sign on the
building rather than the parking shade structure as the sign could be more visible if it were
higher.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY responded that the top of the building is low and due to the security
cameras, the parking shade structure was the chosen place.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT stated he assumes this is an unprecedented request as he has not
seen signs like this on parking canopies before but due to the site there is no other location
for it. He asked in Staffs’ opinion, is this a practical location for the sign to go.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER responded Staff struggled with the proposal at first and
other locations were considered but ultimately Staff agreed with the placement. He stated
Staff does not believe that it will set a precedence, because this would not work anywhere
else in the Center City District.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT stated he would like to avoid setting any kind of precedence for the
future. He further stated the proposal can be justified as the property faces unique
circumstances.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked Staff to present the aerial slide of the site and asked the
Applicant to explain the property.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY pointed out the current plot and explained the details and zonings
for the surrounding plots.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if the future project mentioned earlier is on someone else's
property.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY advised the future project is located on a separate parcel that he is
also the owner of and pointed out other future projects on the aerial site map.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if the bar will be part of the Stanley.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY responded no, the Stanley is the residential Airbnb.

ZACHARY WERDEAN, CITY PLANNER replied its zoned as residential, but it is also zoned as
Center City District. He presented statements regarding other properties that are also zoned

as residential and Center City District.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked what is the purpose of the sign as typically with Airbnb a
customer would use the address to find the location.

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JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY stated one of the biggest reasons is to identify parking since
downtown parking is an issue especially on the weekends. He further stated the sign will
make it clear that the parking is for Stanley only.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if they have had less issues with parking since putting up the
sign.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY replied they have seen a difference with the sign. He stated they
tried using sandwich boards in the parking spots, but the wind blew them down often and
they needed something more permanent.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked to clarify what the sign looks like, as it appears to be yellow on
the presentation.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY advised the presentation had pictures of renderings and that the
sign is black lettering with vintage bulbs.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if approved, the conditions be clarified that the approval is the
for the existing sign and not the renderings. He mentioned the proposed is unusual, but he
understands the need for the sign due to the parking issues and anticipated future projects.

JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY stated the sign is also so people can find it. He further stated
customers often had issues finding it until the sign was installed.

COMMISSIONER BELL mentioned she drives past downtown often and had heard of the
Stanley but did not know where it was until the sign was installed.

VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ asked if the lights on the sign blink.
JIM WILEY, THE STANLEY stated the lights are soft low voltage and do not blink.

MOVED BY CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK, seconded by COMMISSIONER SABA to approve Agenda
Item d. The Stanley, PLH21-0038, with stipulations recommended by Staff and with the
drawn rendering sheet removed or modified to show what is already built. The Motion
carries unanimously 7-0.

e. PLH21-0031 TAMAL Y MEZCAL Approved with an Added Stipulation

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER presented the following information regarding the
request for architectural plan review approval for facade modifications to an existing
building located at 96 W Boston Street.

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Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed modifications to complement the existing Early Twentieth
Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the Historic
Preservation Commission (HPC) approve the request.

Request
Tamal y Mezcal is a new restaurant proposed to locate in the currently vacant suite next to

Paletas Betty, located west of Arizona Avenue on the north side of Boston Street.

The applicant is requesting approval for the following exterior modifications to the existing
storefront and signage:

1. Front fagade modifications to the existing storefront

a. Proposing to paint the trim green to emulate the trim of the older buildings.

b. Proposing a 5'11” wide walk-up pickup window that has a stucco trim, a
terracotta counter, and mosaic tile which extends from the base to the
serving counter.

c. Proposing a custom multi-panel door which is comprised of tinted glass of
two shades and a reclaimed wood panel.

d. Proposing a reclaimed wood trim around the upper portion of the
storefront

2. Signage
a. Proposing an exposed neon window sign that exceeds the maximum size
allowed by sign code. Per CCD Sign Code, a window sign may occupy up to
25% of the total window area. This proposed window sign is taking up
approximately 33% of the total widow area of the storefront. Staff finds this
request reasonable.

Discussion

Planning staff finds that the proposed exterior modifications and signage listed above
maintain consistency with the historic character of the square and are a modern
complement to the Early Twentieth Century Commercial architectural style of the City Center
District. Given that Tamal y Mezcal is proposed to be primarily a pick-up oriented
establishment, the design of the storefront reflects this in that the proposed pick-up window
covers nearly half of the storefront and utilizes a unique and high-quality materials such as
terracotta and mosaic tile. These materials are consistent with the Spanish Revival
architectural style. The door is another unique aspect of this storefront, both in the fact that
it is a custom door comprised of two distinct materials as well as being designed to appear
narrower than its actual functional measurement. This was an intentional design choice to
both create an eclectic and vibrant storefront as well as to draw attention primarily to the
pick-up window.

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While the proposed signage triggers the need for HPC approval by technically exceeding the
maximum size allowed by code, staff finds that the size of the proposed sign is acceptable
given that the size is not exceedingly large compared to the entire storefront area and that
it will be the only sign for the business. The owner does not currently plan on installing any
exterior wall-mounted signs or hanging blade signs. In the future, any exterior signs would
need to comply with CCD, otherwise they would need to come back to HPC for approval.

Recommendation

Upon finding the proposed facade modifications and signage to complement the existing
Early Twentieth Century Commercial style of architecture, Planning staff recommends the
Historic Preservation Committee approve PLH21-0031 Tamal y Mezcal, subject to the
following conditions.

1. Development shall be in substantial conformance with Exhibits A, B, C, D and E, kept on
file in the City of Chandler Planning Division, in File No. PLH21-0031 Tamal y Mezcal.

Note: Stipulation #2 was added as a result of the Historic Preservation Commission's
discussion during the meeting:

2. The trim and mullions on the door shall be painted green to match the trim and mullions
on the transom and the horizontal mullion separating the reclaimed wood from the glass
panel on the door shall be lowered to be level with the horizontal bar of the pickup window.

Proposed Motion
Move the Historic Preservation Commission approve case PLH21-0031 Tamal y Mezcal,

subject to the conditions recommended by Planning staff.

VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ asked if the proposed neon sign is the lettering, the agave, and
decorative artwork.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER replied yes that is Staff's understanding, although the
presented is conceptual it would be everything that is showing in that window area.

VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ asked if there is still a door to the right as part of the building.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER responded the door is still existing, but it is not part
of the project as it is for the upstairs offices.

COMMISSIONER SABA pointed out on the floor plan the back door is a double door opening
out and all those properties are zero lot lines. He would like to caution the Applicant when
the doors open make sure they do not cross into the next property.

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COMMISSIONER WEIGHT presented concern regarding the store front design. He stated he
is not opposing the pickup window, but it seems to affect the proportions and rhythm of the
store front. He further stated the front deviates from other store fronts downtown as it uses
several different materials. He recommended the design be simplified.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER mentioned the building is not historic and was built
in 2004 as an appendage to the historic building just to the east of it.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked what does that mean and if they have to comply with historical
standards.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER responded because they are part of the Center City
District, they are required by code to find a harmonious relationship between the proposed
architecture and existing but there's no historic protections.

COMMISSIONER SABA stated there is a lot going on below, but the panes of glass above the
door ties this to the existing Paletta Betty's. He further stated the continuity of the glass is
helpful and provides a little consistency.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN pointed out the wide variety colors that are used and stated if
some of the primary colors were used on the door, that might alleviate the busyness.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated they worked with Staff to simplify the design and
wanted it to be eclectic and have different materials and colors. He explained they wanted
to tie the existing building colors and use of stucco to be consistent. He stated the purpose
of the stucco on the window frame was for a visual draw but also to stay consistent. He
mentioned the inside will feature artwork from local artist and wanted color to also be used
on the outside.

VICE CHAIRMAN VELASQUEZ stated there is a lot going on, but feels it works well in the bigger
context of downtown. He explained the design is to draw attention and he is good with it.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated there is a lot, but they are trying to be consistent
and evolutionary in the design.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if the stucco around the pickup window will be the same color
as the stucco next to it or is that an accent.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated it is a great color, but the building itself is more of a
beige color. He stated it’s the same material but a different color as they wanted to frame it
and set it apart.

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CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK pointed out the project will look different than what we are seeing
here because photoshop is used for the render. He appreciates the use of green because it
ties to the downtown area, and he asked about the pink rectangle on the door and if linoleum
or door foil will be used.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated door foil will be used.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if the Applicant thought about making the door frame green
to tie it all together. He stated he liked the reclaim wood and the rustic look it brings, he
asked if they thought about using it more in the design or reconfigure the door, so it is not
so much different than the rest of the center. He asked the commission for their opinion in
tying in more green or using more reclaimed wood.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER responded through the process the design has
evolved to simplify the original components being proposed. He explained this is the fourth
rendition and originally the proposed door was three foot wide and less functional. He
further explained and the now proposed multipaneled door has more adequate access while
preserving the focus on the pickup window.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated in one of the previous renditions there was an entire
wood door, but the Applicant decided to use glass to be consistent with the surrounding
businesses. He further stated the Applicant wanted the visual draw to be at the walkup
window, as customers will be provided service from the window for most of the day. He
explained they wanted to use a wood door, but instead kept a panel to reflect it somewhere
else in the design. He explained they are open to use more wood on the door but did not
want the visual draw to be towards the door.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked Staff if there would have been an issue if the Applicant
originally came through and wanted the whole door wood.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER responded Staff felt a full wood door created a
bifurcated balance on the building and created more of a departure. He explained a
nontransparent door has no precedent within the downtown area, but if that is something
the commission wants to explore Staff will consider that option.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK mentioned some high-end restaurants have reclaimed wood doors
and asked the Commission for their opinion.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN asked how transparent is the colored glass and if the
reclaimed wood and dark area around the door could be green to provide consistency and
simplify the design. She stated the current design has a lot going on and if a few elements
were taken off and more green was added, it would allow the sign to stand out.

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ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated they are amendable to changing the black around
the door to green and they have no issue with the suggested changes.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT thanked the Applicant for being open to the suggestions and stated
changing the dark areas to green will improve the design. He thought the design would
improve with less wood and asked how transparent is the colored glass. He presented
suggestions to improve the design by replacing the wood areas.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked Staff and the Applicant for their input on not using reclaimed
wood in the design.

HARLEY MEHLHORN, JUNIOR PLANNER stated a stipulation can be added to change the trim
to green.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated they added the top trim wood area to tie in the wood
used on the door. He stated if the wood was changed in one place, it should also be removed
from the other to provide more consistency.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked Commissioner Weight to explain his suggestion earlier to
make the door all glass.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT explained that his comment was the different materials and colors
make the design appear very busy and a solid door would be too much. He further explained
taking the wood out or minimizing it would be better than expanding it.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked Commissioner Weight if the wood was taken out, what would
go in its place. He asked if yellow or pink glass would work.

COMMISSIONER FINBRAATEN stated yellow glass would look better with the design and
more pink would cut up the design.

COMMISSIONER WEIGHT stated he had no color preference for the glass as long as the glass
was translucent.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated the colored glass would be translucent. He further
stated they can take off the wood in its entirety and take the yellow all the way down. He
presented statements regarding the vertical elements on the door and suggested the
addition of a horizontal element.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK verbally confirmed the design changes with the Applicant, changes
include; door frame color changed to green, reclaimed wood on door be replaced with yellow
translucent glass, and the use of green instead of reclaimed wood in the area above the door.
He thanked everyone for their suggestions and stated the changes have simplified the

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design. He mentioned the door pull was not discussed and asked if it should be green or
black.

COMMISSIONER BELL stated members of the commission are only focusing on a small area
and asked everyone to consider the context of the whole downtown. She pointed out the
artwork in the area, including a nearby mural. She further stated, in the full context of
downtown the proposal fits.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK stated the concern is that there is too much going on and mentioned
the only changes are to remove the reclaimed wood and make the door frame green. He
further stated, there are still colors to tie into the artwork, and pointed out the Applicant is
going to have artwork as decoration and to sell. He asked the Applicant if there was going to
be a sign above the canopy.

ALVIN HONG, TAMALE Y MEZCAL stated he is willing to make changes but wanted to make
the comment in support of the original proposed design. He would like to keep the wood as
it ties into the natural elements like the terra cotta counter and the green trim. He explained
removing the wood from the design takes away the organic quality that he also wants to
reflect in the food.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK stated he loves the use of reclaimed wood in design, but as a
commission they must agree to disagree on whether or not to make that change.

COMMISSIONER SABA stated he loved the reclaimed wood and would like to see the door
trim changed to green so the design integrates more. He explained the black on the door
trim looks strange because it pops out and using green will set it back. He further explained
he thought the proposed wood element was enough for interest without being too much
and he would not like the whole door being wood.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK pointed out we have some Commission Members who like the glass
and some who prefer the wood. He stated we may need a roll call. ;

COMMISSIONER EBERLY stated he agreed with Commissioner Saba’s compromise and likes
the boldness of the original design. He explained, the Applicant stuck their necks out to
design something different and his fear is if the Commission squashes their creativity, the
only designs that come in will all be the same.

VICE CHAIR VELASQUEZ stated he had no issue with keeping the wood, so long as the door
frame was changed to green, and the yellow color came down.

CHAIRMAN WASTCHAK asked if the reclaimed wood is used on the door, should it also be
used in the area above the door.